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You might marry for love, but a marriage is more of a business contract which combines your assets and liabilities. Hiding a debt damages the financial partnership of the marriage.
Joe in North Carolina writes: It probably is cheating, but to me it is more about immaturity. So many Americans just know that they want something, but never stop to think about the consequences. If we are to have a more stable financial future, credit has to be something one actually earns, rather than something people view as some kind of right. Absolutely it's the same as cheating.
She couldn't even remember most of what she'd spent it on. I only found out because after she insisted on handling the family finances for a couple of years, I wanted my turn to do it and see where all the money was going. Scott in Alabama writes: No, they are not the same. The government has misled Americans for years on it's accounting manipulations — such as the SS trust fund — and we'll be forced to deal with it.
And let's not even mention the FED, and it's destruction of the dollar and our savings. It used to be. But nowadays the US economy is built on lies and scams. I don't trust doctors, lawyers, politicians, business people or the mainstream media because everyone is a liar. People who tell the truth are more likely to suffer bad consequences than people who lie. So, yeah, go ahead and hide, lie, whatever, dude.
Apparently, only suckers do the right thing in this country. Well lets see if I have this correct. If I hide my debt, lie about my assets, spend what I don't have, and have someone else pay my bills when I get in trouble, that is not OK. When Wall Street does it it is called investing and risk management and the government will bail them out if they get in trouble. At a time when Jane and Johnny Taxpayer are struggling to put bread on the table, hiding debt is definitely cheating.
Can we just hide our debt from creditors when applying for a loan? Elementary students seem to understand politics a bit more than these guys. If a husband or wife tells you that they aren't haveing an affair, and they are lying, or they are haveing an affair and hiding it from their spouses, isn't that the same????
Yep — Shrub kept the cost of wars off the books — is that lying? Is it bearing false witness to the people? Omitting to a crime is equal to committing the crime! Why is this even a question in a society with so many higher education institutions? Oh, I forgot; all we are getting out of our higher learning these days are educated idiots and thieves.
Well Jack, I know I would never hide debt from my wife. I view the government and the citizens that live under it to be like a marriage. If you're not open and honest with each other, then what's the point of being together? If the government wants to hide debt from us, then we need to start over with a new government that has strict rules to keep them from lying to us.
Not that that will ever happen, but you get my point. So yeah, it is cheating. It's like running in a race or playing some other sport on steroids and not telling anyone that you're on performance enhancement drugs. Kinda unfair to the other players who stayed off the juice. It's only cheating if you hide the fact that you hide debt.
If a bank called itself Inequity trust you would expect there to be some hidden debt. So that's fair enough right? How do you figure that we got into this financial mess to begin with, because GW Bush told the nation the truth? Hiding the debt, well hiding everything, has been the Washington "normal," Obama unfortunately makes himself look worse the more he tries to be transparent.
Bad things show up. I actually heard a comment on CNN that he should have held the health care meeting behind closed doors because then something more might have gotten done.
The broken government show was great, very un-political just showing what's broken in an undeniable clear message. I know I like Obama alot more than you do, but Washington, not nirvana, is where he has to work.
You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear overnight. I think the current Republicans aren't just the party of No they are the party of hypocrisy, I'm grateful we have Obama to wade through the mess and try to do better. You can not hide the pound guerilla in the room.
Cheating no, not if I know about it. When one cheats they try to fool you. The Republicans caused this debt by allowing reckless banks to exist, not funding part D medicare, not funding VA, and not passing legislation making social security solvent. Two wars on supplemental appropriations rather budget pprocess. Thank you for taking a stand against Unemployment Benefits Extensions — This pitiful amount of money, which is below a poverty level income, is all I have to count on to pay for shelter and purchase food — Thank you for proving that my over taxing government is completely out of touch with the disappearing middle class of 'We The People" who voted for you and your colleagues — Thank You for your vote in favor of all the billions to be spent annually on foreign countries including those we are at war with — Thank You for keeping the interests of Lobbyists and Corporations in mind before the uninsured, unemployed, suffering Americans that you've taken a stand against — Thank you for your misguided principles — Thank God for politicians like you!
Jack, what number comes after trillion? I want stimulus money to go to school to learn how to count above a trillion. It looks like we'll need it. It depends on who it's being hidden from.
If the person from whom it's being hidden has an interest in knowing about the debt, then hiding it is fraud. And fraud is always criminally cheating. Thats bushes way of hiding the 12 million a month! Cheating is at an all time high in the United States at all levels, corporate, government, and academic. In , for instance, 3, large U. Without personal significance life looses meaning and purpose. Jack hiding debt is what we do best. I dont know if my heart can take the real numbers after 8 years of Bush we dont want to forget him now do we.
Good percentage of Washington is a Criminal Enterprise Personally I would consider that cheating. However many big businesses, politicians, and bureaucrats would not unless they got caught. Well, maybe we should ask the unknowing spouse of a compulsive gambler or credit card abuser for an opinion.
Bet the answer is YES. In my eyes yes. In the eyes of the government, NO. Morals were left at home when they hit the floor in Washington. My mother would ground me for life for lying and cheating. GOP does it all the time, look how many presidents they have again and again and again. If Bush did it, it is cheating, it is dishonest and worse. Does that answer your question? Yes, but we don't care since we, the American voter is practicing Shakespears definition of insanity since we vote these bozos back in office again and again.
You know, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. No Jack, it's the same as LYING and it's been going on forever and will probably continue long after you and I have moved on to the big ocean in the sky. Hiding debt is simply a lie by omission. Palin and the great unwashed GOP is a huge example, and the Dems have their share.
A lie is a lie, and don't lie to me. This is what has gotten us in the mess we currently face. We all looked the other way concerning debt, personal, business and by the government, and now we have to pay the piper. Funny how we can ignore pain for only so long. That's one huge reason we are in a deficit position today. It depends on whether your assets are jointly held or not. If the other partner could be on the hook for the debt, not mentioning it is not a good thing although not likely a cause for divorce unless you are talking about very extreme debting.
Since your question is only 1 sentence long, I have no idea what this is all about, but I would say that it depends on the circumstances. No, unless it can be proven that the debt had been intentionally hidden. If intentional, it's cheating. There's no black or white; every case must be tried on it's own merits. Jack, You mean cheating on your spouse or significant other? Well, it's as with everything in life, you need to perform due diligence and buyer beware If someone you get involved with has debt, they should reveal that in the first few weeks as well as if they have an STD, a criminal record, or any other significant issue in their past.
And by the way, omission is a sin of sorts, so to answer your question, YES it's just as bad as cheating since the ethical lapse is still the issue. When people are honest with each other though, there can be judgmental behavior and attitudes, but at least the honesty is there. Jack, hiding debt is just playing Easter Bunny. Just a few difference's No it's not the same thing as cheating in today's economy when people are struggling to get jobs, keep their homes, have no health insurance, etc.
People are doing whatever they have to do to survive. Somehow Jack in Washington they can always justify their actions no mater how wrong they may be. Proof of that is pork barrel spending. One mans pork is another mans bacon. But then again didn't the last administration do the same thing, not to mention how many other administrations prior to this one?
Jack, of course it is! OH but hey, isn't spending money you don't have the same thing? Are you a cheater too? Hiding the debt is cheating. That is what enron did before they went broke. The GDP of the entire world is 60 trillion and the u.
I don't understand why congrees and the president don't seem to care that this great nation is broke. The feel good recipe seems to be more spending, corporate welfare and tax cuts but that of course will never pay off our 65 trillion dollar debt. Health care reform is being sold as a way to reduce our debt. We need real budget reform now. If you're hiding it from the lying cheating loan companies then what is the difference, why are people in trouble with their home loans, because the loan companies lied to them about rates, what they could afford and ever other story just to get them a loan.
But we knew they were going to cheat when we elected them. The national debt is so high now nobody can evern compute it. And keeping the debt hidden is a type of health care reform. Not knowing keeps my blood pressure down. We're actually covered, we have credit default swaps issued by AIG to keep us out of trouble. Creative monetary policies have been a mainstay of Congressional programs for untold number of years. The really amazing thing is that the taxpayers just keep on believing the trash Congress pedals year after year, when all the evidence tells them "Congress is lying to you"!
The country is on the verge of bankruptcy, and people continue to support Congressional spending of money the country does not have. How stupid can they get, and how long before they realize what Congress has done to them and their future generations.
Not very long, I predict! Which debt—my debt, the National Debt???? California's debt, scuse me that's too large to hide. You mean like Bush did for 8 years by not including the costs of the "War against terror" in the yearly budget? It's just a different type of cheating than what we normally think. People have recently learned that it's OK to hide debt from our previous Republican Administration that hid the costs of the 2 wars - or should I say they neglected to count them as operating expenses so the deficit they created wouldn't look as bad as it did.
People are learning from Big Brother that it's OK to hide things. Lying,cheating, stealing, robbing, deception, and hiding are different ships, but eventually they're in the same boat! I don't know Jack When you say it's ok for one group to do it but not another to do the same thing isn't that the definition of hypocrisy? Jack I don't know. I had a friend who kept hiding his growing debts from everyone including himself until the money was gone and things got ugly.
Probably would not have been so bad if he had been more prudent with his money and declared his debts early on. Most people have simply done as our government has been doing—overspend.
Over the years that has kept our economic engines running. One thing is certain, we will not get out of this mess by scrimping and saving money; what we need is a dynamic economy.
Sadly it is the guilty who ends up the most miserable. Guilt is a killer. Shopping under stress is not therapy, trading someone else's money is stealing. I once tried the shopping to relive stress. It only adds stress. In a way you could look at it like that because I thought if your married that your suppossed to share everything with your spouse and that includes finances! Stop cheating on your spouse with your finances!
Well, at least its not immoral or illegal. However, I think the basic sense of trust in a marriage, or a family is destroyed.
And that can be just as bad as cheating. If you can't be honest with your spouse, something is wrong. That being said by a woman that used to have to hide her nonsufficient funds letters from her husband.
That lasted less than ten years. Jack, I think you're mixing apples with oranges. First of all, how in heck would you or could you start a "small business" without your spouse knowing about it? Sounds to me like that one is already on the rocks. As for the kid, woodshed and then some. Bottom line, if you can't talk to your spouse and lover about finances, that "relationship" probably is pretty close to over anyway richer or poorer, sickness and in health.
It took several days before I could unravel how bad it actually was. I couldn't even close the damn accounts unless I zeroed them out or had her prosecuted. I was absolutely livid and don't know who made me more angry, my wife or those credit card banks that allowed her to open accounts in my name without my signature.
I thought maybe she was having an affair, and her reply, "if I was, it was obviously someone that had no money. I swore and promised her that if she ever took another account in my name that I would have her prosecuted and file for divorce. Our relationship has been strained at best ever since, but we've managed to stay married, and this is after a year or so of marriage counseling.
My wife had accumulated those debts over years and had taken a lot of care to keep it concealed. I still don't trust her when it comes to finances. I strongly suspect she is overextended again on credit cards, but I hope she had sense not to use my name. I wasn't kidding about prosecuting and filing for divorce. This has destroyed my belief in our system and especially when our government has stolen from our Social Security to pay for wars and then they never included this in the budget. They lied about when confronted which doesn't suprsie me and particularly considering the source being Bush and Cheney.
It's cheating when you mislead the IRS in a tax return. Why should government expect any different? The American people have ended the relationship with our government years ago, how many of have stop voting or we just vote not for a person but against the other. In ww2 every joined the Army for love of country now we can"t even buy enought men. The end result is the same — trust is lost for a long time if not forever.
Hiding debt is worse than cheating. In cheating, there are usually, several reasons that can be attributed to both parties. Yes Jack, hiding debt is the same as cheating. In hiding debt, you are lying to your spouce. If you can't be honest about this area of your relationship, it's doomed to failure. Not only are you not being honest with your mate, you are taking it upon yourslef to make financial decisions without your mate having any imput on what you are doing.
Marriage is supposed to be a partnership. You are basically saying that you don't trust your mate to be smart enough to make these decisions with you, and that you are the one in the relatioship that has the brains to make these decisions.
I would think very seriously about ending a relationship if this happened. One day I opened a credit card bill I did not recognize. It threw us into bankruptcy and I could not get a job for more than 4 years and the marriage ended. Although debt is a major factor in how well a person can show physical love to a person it has nothing to do with true love.
If we were to know every aspect of the person we love I highly doubt we would love them. Hiding debt is only cheating when you view the world in terms of ownership.
Teres no cheeting to it the word is fraud Barney Madoff style these guys know they over done it they just cant keep from living beyound there means well blood thirsty vamps the end is comming.
Speaking from experience, the hurt from both takes your breath away. Hiding debt destroys trust. Losing trust in a cheater is the easiest of the losses. Any form of dishonesty whether it be cheating, hiding debt, or hiding anything for that matter weighs the same in my book.
If you are in a relationship, honesty is key or there truly isn't a relationship. Because the consequence of it can lead to homelessness. Lying is the same as hiding debt cheating is the same as cheating another terrible question jack. The note wasn't signed. It kind of is and kind of isn't.
Though if you think about it, you can think of debt as another girlfriend. When your other girl finds out, she dumps you. I only found out because after she insisted on handling the family finances for a couple of years I wanted my turn to do it and see where all the money was going.
If you're hiding debt you have accrued using someone else's money, whether related to you or not, you're not just a cheater, you're a thief. If you're hiding debt you've accrued using your own money, it's nobody else's damn business. It's not as bad as cheating, but as with any deceit, the damage to the relationship can be devastating.. In principal it is. Obviously there is something wrong in the marriage if you cannot communicate with your spouse about money there are serious issues that need help.
But cheating with another person is a different subject. Either way their marriage is in the toilet. When a spouse cheats, the aggrieved partner can walk away and have a clean slate.
With accrued debt, both parties are undoubtedly equally responsible for the debt, particularly if it is a joint marriage! It is worse than cheating.
At least you can divorce a cheater, but you can't divorce yourself from debt. Hiding debt could be worse than cheating if it results in financial hardship or financial ruin for the family.
Just as a compulsive gambler might be a nice person, if he or she injures his or her own family through financial irresponsibility, then it is worse than cheating. I don't know if the term "cheating" quite applies to the issue. But it is crystal clear that if you are about to take on a debt that may cause harm to another person if it goes bad, then you do a profound ethical and moral wrong by not gaining the informed agreement of others who may be impacted, IN ADVANCE.
Such an action is a violation of any form of person to person relationship that we know. Of course it's cheating.
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