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Film T Page D A. The old family tales have been repeated here and the secondary research of others so if you are using this for your lineage please be sure to have adequate documentation.

If you don't see primary documentation then is may not be so. Please use anything on this web page with warning that because you saw it in print does not make it so.

I do believe that the family groups in generations 3 and below are very likely all correct — DEG] Generation No. He married 1 Elizabeth. He married 2 Rachael Unknown. He married 3 Christian Unknown. He married 4 Unk Unknown. He married 5 Unknown3. He married 7 Christian3 May 13, He was born in Tyrone,, Ireland in and came to Virginia in the 's. A few letters he wrote during the 's are preserved in the Virginia State Library in Richmond, Va.

A short selection follows. John Waugh lived in that portion of Westmoreland made into Stafford County, in The law imposed upon a minister a fine of 10, pounds of tobacco for marrying persons without a license duly obtain. Ed This is what this series of letters are concerned with. During the turmoil in England accompanying the accession of William of Orange, the Protestants were frightened lest the Roman Catholic Religion might be established in England.

In Virginia absurd rumors were circulated of terrible plots of the Roman Catholics of Maryland and the Indians. The County of Stafford was inflamed by the haranges of John Waugh, and three councilors were dispatched to allay the commotion. Children of John Waugh and Elizabeth are: Alexender Waugh, born ; died Children of John Waugh and Unk Unknown are: Joseph2 Waugh, born ; died John William Waugh, Jr. Children of John Waugh and Elizabeth Unknown are: Children of John Waugh and Christian are: He married Philadelphis Claiborne3.

Alexander Waugh, born ; died Alexender2 Waugh John William1 was born , and died He married Diana Webb3. Children of Alexender Waugh and Diana Webb are: James Waugh, born in Antrim Ireland; died Abt. She married George Mason. She married Gilesa Travis. Richard2 Waugh John William1 4,5. Child of Richard Waugh and Matilda is: Joseph2 Waugh John William1 8 was born , and died He married 1 Mary Crosby. He married 2 Rachel Gowery. She died in Stafford Co. Child of Joseph Waugh and Mary Crosby is: John William2 Waugh, Jr.

John William1 born , and died He married Martha Vandegasteel8. Children of John Waugh and Martha Vandegasteel are: John3 Waugh III8, born ; died James Waugh, born ; died May 09, John Waugh, born ; died Thomas Waugh8, born ; died Ann2 Waugh John William1 8.

She married Giles Travers8. Child of Ann Waugh and Giles Travers is: Elizabeth2 Waugh John William1 8. She married Unknown Mason. Children of Elizabeth Waugh and Unknown Mason are: George3 Mason, died in Fairfax Co, Virginia.

Catherine Mason8, born June 21, ; died June 15, She married John Mercer, Esq. She married Francis Triplett. Alexander2 Waugh John William1 8 was born , and died He married Diana Webb8. Children of Alexander Waugh and Diana Webb are: She married Joseph Thomas8.

Alexander Waugh, born He married Margaret Unknown She was born Abt. Notes for John Waugh: The family Waugh have two histories prior to the arrival in America by John Waugh in The Waugh family originated in Germany, and two brothers at an early date went from Germany. One settled in England and the other Settler in Ireland. Some of the English Waugh occupied positions of public trust and there are found in heraldic books several coats of arms the family of our name. The Waugh family originated as a mixed clan in Scotland and the members located at the city or town of Londoner near Belfast.

John Waugh May have been with a brother arrived in Boston in John was said to lived a short time in Maine, than moving on to New Hampshire. In he and his family moved to Litchfield Connecticut, south farms, which is now Morris, Conn. In he purchased 50 acres of land south of the Great Pond, now Bantam Lake, he built his house It is still standing and is occupied by a Waugh descendent and cleared the land for farming with his four sons.

They had to keep Constance watch for hostile Indians as the nearest Stockard for protection was two and a half miles away in Morris. In acres and in another acres, owning all the land from is house to Bantam Lake. From an article written for a magazine by an former owner of the house, Mr. Most of the Waugh's left Scotland in , but there were others who went to Ireland much earlier to fight the battles that Macaulay described in his "History of England".

John Waugh came from Ireland, died Aug 3, age Gravestone in East Morris cemetery says he died Sept 6, His wife Margaret's surname unknown grave stone record says she died Feb.. They are both buried in East Morris cemetery. Supposedly, they lived in New Hampshire, where their four children are reported to have been born before coming to Connecticut. They moved from Lebanon, Conn. The house built by John still stands near the Lakeside Post Office.

Crothers "Descendants of John Waugh": There are two versions of the Waugh family history, according to research by Mark Waugh Rhodes, prior to arriving in America: They may have originated in Germany two brothers emigrating to England. One settled in England and the other in Ireland.

This is plausible if they were part of the Palatine migration. Some of the English Waughs occupied positions of public trust and they are found in heraldic books which bear coats of arms for the Waugh family.

The may have originated as a mixed clan in Scotland with members located at the city or town of Londonderry near Belfast. In the s, two Waugh brothers migrated to America and settled at Litchfield, Connecticut. John Waugh arrived in Boston in , perhaps with a brother. John was said to have lived a short time in Maine, then moved to New Hampshire.

In he and his family moved to Litchfield, Connecticut, south farms, which is now Morris, Conn. In he purchased 50 acres of land south of the Great Pond, now Bantam Lake. He built his house still standing and occupied by a Waugh descendent and cleared the land for farming with his four sons.

They had to keep constant watch for hostile Indians as the nearest stockade was two and a half miles away in Morris.

In he purchased acres and in another acres, owning all the land from his house to Bantam Lake. This was taken from an article written for a magazine by a former owner of the house, Mr. Notes for James Waugh: James Waugh was living in Townsend, Mass. It is family tradition that their ancestor emigrated from Germany to Scotland and thence to the north of Ireland in the reign of James I , and that the first of the family to come to America was of the Scots-Irish colony of , settling in Londonderry, NH.

James Waugh had three sons: Robert, James and George. Children of James Waugh are: Robert4 Waugh, died in Concord MA. Alexander3 Waugh Alexender2, John William1 was born , and died He married Sarah Taliaferro. Children of Alexander Waugh and Sarah Taliaferro are: He married Unk Hoard. She married Musgrove Dawson. She married Joseph Thomas. George Lee Waugh, born ; died Mary3 Waugh Richard2, John William1 12,13, VA18,18,19, and died Abt. Child of Mary Waugh and Robert Hooe is: Howson4 Hooe, born in Fauquier Co.

Mary3 Waugh Joseph2, John William1 He was born ,and died Children of Mary Waugh and Alexander Doniphan are: Joseph4 Doniphan, born ; died Joseph Doniphan, born ; died He married Betty Brittingham22, daughter of Nathaniel Bittingham.

She died August 22, Children of James Waugh and Betty Brittingham are: John4 Waugh, born October 20, ; died Sarah Waugh22, born May 27, John Waugh, died Children of John Waugh and Betty Brittingham are: John4 Waugh, died August She married 2 Lewis Ellzey He was born Child of Elizabeth Travers and John Cave is: Child of George Mason is: George4 Mason22, born in Fairfax Co, Virginia He married Ann Eilbeck22 Solomon3 Waugh Alexander2, John William1 Children of Solomon Waugh and Betty Chinn are: Micajah4 Waugh, born January 09, Alexander3 Waugh Alexander2, John William1 22 was born Children of Alexander Waugh and Sarah are: Richard4 Waugh22, born ; died July 03, in Culpepper Co.

Alexander Waugh22, born John Waugh22, born ; died He was probably the John Waugh Jr. The family Bible record of Capt. John Waugh is preserved in the Virginia State Library, John Waugh had 18 Negro children according to Bible records. George Waugh22, born Mary Waugh, born Children of Robert Waugh and Ruth Gitteau are: Lois5 Waugh, born in South Farm of Litchfield.

Margaret Waugh27, born ; died March 24, Christian Waugh, born ; died April 27, ,29; Adopted child. She was born August 29, in Stratford CT. Joseph built a home in South Farms now Morris about It was a Tavern. That home is occupied and is now owned by Robert Waugh. Elizabeth there in 18 Feb. PA near Carlisle and then moved to Washington Co. PA where his son Joseph Jr. Joseph is said to have died in , making him 93 years old. Mr Foot was owner and innkeeper with his son for 60 years.

Then it came back into the Waugh family in when it was bought by Samual W. Robert owns the property as of Payne says this about Footville "under date of December fifteenth, , the following town vote in reference to yard at Footville or West Morris appears upon records of Litchfield. Since then another half acre has been added. Children of Joseph Waugh and Elizabeth Miner are: Lucretia5 Waugh31, born Abt.

Rachel Waugh31, born April 08, in Litchfield, Conn. Elizabeth Waugh31, born October 26, in Litchfield, Conn. Lemon Waugh, born August 04, in Litchfield, Conn. He married 1 Elizabeth Bernard Lewis Notes for Thomas Waugh: In the Patriot Service during the American Revolution, He was a member of the committee to provide food for the soldiers of the Continental Army and their families in Litchfield Conn. Anna Waugh, born March 11, ; died October 22, Tryphena Waugh, born Thomas Waugh33, born in Litchfield, CT.

Notes for Alexander Waugh: He was also as Inspector of Provisions for the Army. The deeds in Litchfield show that Alexander bought considerable land after the War, but it also appears that he began to have financial problems and began losing his land.

It was about when Alexander moved his family to Camden, Oneida Co. Elizabeth Waugh, born Est. Irene Waugh35, born Abt. Children of Alexander Waugh and Elizabeth Troop are: Notes for Robert Waugh: Robert settled in Concord, Mass, and was living there in He died the next year, leaving widow and son Robert and daughter Margaret. Children of Robert Waugh are: Child of Richard Waugh and Margaret Brown is: He married Elizabeth Boston.

Children of George Waugh and Elizabeth Boston are: He married Unk Unknown. He married Unk Newman. Robert Howson5 Hooe53,54, born , Mary Lucretia Hooe57,58, born , Matthias Hooe61,62, born , Howson Hooe, born August 02, ; died Catherine Hooe65,66, born , He married Ann Myers75, Sally Hooe77,78, born , Wliza Lawrence Hooe81,82, born , He married Ann Smith.

Child of Joseph Doniphan and Ann Smith is: Margaret5 Doniphan, born ; died He married Susan Smith Children of Anderson Doniphan and Susan Smith are: He married Ann Smith Children of Joseph Doniphan and Ann Smith are: George5 Doniphan85, died in Augesta, Kentucky He married Mary Ann Marshall Mary Doniphan, born Thomas Smith Doniphan, born Susan Doniphan85, born Matilda Doniphan85, born Alexander William Doniphan85, born She was born February 08, Child of John Waugh and Jane Massey is: He married Henrietta Turley Child of James Waugh and Henrietta Turley is: Children of John Waugh and Jane Massey are: Lewis5 Waugh, born ; died Beverly5 Waugh, born October 25, in Fairfax Co.

Children of Micajah Waugh are: James Waugh, died in Stafford Co. She married 1 HON. He was born , and died She married 2 Jonas She married 3 REV. Child of Mary Waugh and Joseph Jones is: Child of Mary Waugh and Musgrove Dawson is: John5 Dawson87, born ; died in Spotsylvania Co. Children of Lois Waugh and Champion Clark are: Shelden6 Clark, born ; died September 01, He married Pamela Sanford. Christian Clark, died April 27, ; Adopted child. Champion Clark, Jr, born Abt. Armand Twp, Essex Co.

He married 1 Phebe Stoddard88, daughter of Capt. She was born , and died August 24, in Lakeside???. He married 2 Hannah Bradley88 October 10, She died August 26, in Litchfield, CT. The following is from is from a notebook kept by Mrs. James Waugh died at the age of He was a great benefactor of the poor, caring for them, sheltering, clothing them, schooling, and in some instances to a college education, and virtually reared a large family, including many adults.

Waugh kept the old homestead south western part of town. About the year or 10 came with his family to the center. On Gibbs corner set the old sign swinging to notify the traveling public, that he would entertain man and beast. There He continued till the end of life.

He was totally blind before he died The old sign was cut down long before. Some of his proteges: Elizabeth Camp, married Rev. Erastu Cole, died in Litchfield, Ohio. Their son, George W.

Lucy Bradley, daughter of John and Ruth Orton was born One minister of South Farms, was Samual G. Children of James Waugh and Hannah Bradley are: Lucy Bradley6 Waugh, born ; Adopted child. Elizabeth Camp, died in Litchfield, OH. He married Sarah Pierpont. Notes for Geoprge W. Parents of George W. She was born , and died December 13, in Litchfield, CT. He was captured and was a prisoner in the Jersey prison ship, N.

He was released and continued to serve. Ruth received a war pensionfor Thaddeus's Revolutionary War service. Children of Thaddeus Waugh and Ruth Farnham are: Dela Waugh, born November 01, ; died March 28, Ohio near Washington Court House. Ohio, Near Washington Court House.

Notes for Joseph Waugh, Jr.: Serving 15 months as a private in the Connecticut Troops; three months the year of the Danbury Raid, three months in Col.

In , his father Joseph sold his house and the family moved west. They were said to have stop in Cumberland Co. PA for a while, but were in Washington Co. On 22 Oct Joseph Waugh Jr. It believed that soon after Joseph Jr. They were there by Served 15 months as a private in Connecticut Troops; three month in the year of the Danbury Raid, three months in Col. They owned land in surveys 4, and 3,, which they improved and occupied many years.

Children of Joseph Waugh and Mary Hopkins are: Flowrilla Waugh88, born October 13, ; died August 11, Sarah Waugh, born November 28, ; died December 26, Mary Waugh, born June 04, in Buckskin Twp. OH; died February 12, in Montgomery Co. Balinda Waugh88, born October 21, She married Simeon H. Lucas88 May 24, in Ross Co. He married Unknown Holland in Ross Co. Freeman Waugh, born Abt. He married Sarah Cordray.

Child of Asa Waugh and Sarah Cordray is: Watson6 Spencer, born in Vermont; died June 27, Brainerd Spencer, died Abt.

Lucy Spencer, died Bef. Elias Spencer, born ; died February 17, Amanda Spencer, died Bef. She married Gideon Gallup90,91 January 26, Child of Lucy Waugh and Gideon Gallup is: New York; died November 16, in Harmony Twp. She was born August 18, in Litchfield, CT. Children of John Waugh and Olive Stone are: She married Isaac Bristol. Litchfield birth records say Julia was born , no mention of twin, Julius. Other genealogy have them born in Julian Waugh, born October 13, She was born January 13, in Litchfield, CT.

Eliza Waugh, born November 01, in Litchfield, Conn. She married James Smedley April 30, Litchfield death records has death listed as Jan 13, stone says Jan Vol 2, page 55 Children of Anna Waugh and Solomon Goodwin are: Heman Goodwin, born May 01, ; died November 12, Sylvia Goodwin, born December 26, ; died March 08, Rosanna Goodwin, born December 16, ; died September 26, Children of Tryphena Waugh and Obadiah Lovejoy are: Ansel Lovejoy, died She married Samuel Clark Abt.

Children of Rhoda Waugh and Samuel Clark are: Rhoda6 Clark, born Abt. Susan Clark, born Abt. Polly Clark, born Abt. Oscar Clark, born Abt. Samuel Clark, born Abt. Catherine Clark, born ; died January 26, in Barker Twp. She was born , and died February 11, in Lewiston, Niagara Co. The eight childern, the oldest only sixteen years old, were left in a new country where wandering tribes of Indians were a constance source of alarm even to stout, hearted men, where the safety of whites depended on fleeing to Fort Lewiston for protection, at the approach of indians.

The home was abandoned, and the family of eight childern were taken back to Camden by their kind uncle, Norman Waugh, and they found homes amoung their relatives. Lyman of Osewega, New York. Children of Daniel Waugh and Anne Smedley are: Gideon Waugh, born September 02, in Litchfield, Conn. Cynthia Waugh, born June 15, in Litchfield, Conn. He married 2 Rhoda Simons in NY. Notes for Norman Waugh: It was created by an act of Legislature on February 16, from the town of Camden.

Turner settled on fifty acres each. The first town meeting was held in the home of John Spinning on March 5, Died at the family farm. Children of Norman Waugh and Lucenda Porter are: NY; died April 09, in Camden Twp. Kipton, Lorain County, Ohio. Truman Waugh, born March 14, in Camden Twp. NY; died September 20, Norman Waugh, born March 15, in Camden Twp. Children of Norman Waugh and Rhoda Simons are: Freeman6 Waugh, born Abt.

Sally Waugh, born in Oswego Co. He married Calarinda She was born March 20, , and died June 01, Children of Freeman Waugh and Calarinda Unknown are: Nelson Waugh, born in NY. She was born April 17, , and died March 27, In , Robert, being then over 14 years of age, chose his grandfather, James Waugh, as his guardian.

Robert Waugh, grandson of James, the presumed immigrant, was born in Concord, Mass. She was born 17 Apr At the time of his marriage, he was residing in New Ipswich, NH.

In , he moved to Pondtown and settled on lot No. The lot had a waterfront on Lake Maranacook of two miles and a half. As a summer resort, a part of if is now called Craig's Point. Waugh was one of the earliest selectmen. During the revolution, he was at first a Tory, but later acknowledged his error. He died 2 Jan His widow died 27 March Children of Robert Waugh and Elizabeth White are: Samuel Waugh, born July 27, ; died February 27, Elizabeth Waugh, born May 10, George Waugh, born January 12, ; died September 08, in Levant.

Melvin Waugh, died June 08, He married Mary J. Child of Mary Waugh and Charles Waugh is: Children of Gowry Waugh and Susan Wright are: He married Mary F. She married Larkin Herndon. Waugh, died in Died In Infancy. He married Ellen Cole. Richard Waugh, died in Died In Infancy. During the Civil War, Douglas brought a group of family slaves to Texas.

Back in Virginia, the Hooe family fled their home. After the war, it was found and sent to Douglas in Texas because he was the eldest surviving son. Besides containing the family records, the Bible was valuable because it was a first American folio Bible printed in by Isaiah Thomas of Worcester and Boston. Its sojourn in the creedbed had begun a deterioration which was repidly increasing with each passing year.

Douglas and Mary moved to Belton, Texas, and then to Dallas sometime between and Dallas city directories shown them living on San Jacinto Street in and Junius in Douglas' ocupation is given as carpenter. Children of Douglas Hooe and Mary Tilley are: Howson suffered brain damage when he was seven or eight years old and was paralyzed until his death, an invalid and unmarried. TX,,; died September 27, in Dallas, Texas,, For two years whe was a substitute teacher in the Dallas schools and then was elected as a regular teacher.

Her first assignment was in the McKinney Avenue School. She attended summer sessions of art schools in Chicago and Boston, and spent one summer in Europe. During one summer, she studied art in Virginia and there became acquainted with artist Georgia O'Keefe, who later visited in the Hooe home. Later she assisted Mr. Ware, supervisor of writing and art in the Dallas Public School System, in the editing of some drawing books.

She was elected supervisor of writing and art in Mr. Ware's place when he resignEd She was forced to resign the position because of ill health and died in In the Sunset Hill School, organized in , was renamed the Lida Hooe School in memory of the former art and writing supervisor. Frances George Dodie Hooe was a teacher in the Dallas schools, and at the time of her retirement was supervisor of the primary grades.

Texas; died August 05, in Dallas, Texas. She married Graham Baxter Boone,, He married Henrietta Daniell, She was born , Child of Howson Hooe and Henrietta Daniell is: Ann Emily6 Hooe,, born , She married John Hockaday. Child of Margaret Doniphan and John Hockaday is: Issac Newton6 Hockaday, born ; died Child of Susan Doniphan and J.

Children of Fannie Doniphan and Thomas Nelson are: Child of Mary Doniphan and Anderson Keith is: Mary Ann6 Keith, died in Portsmouth, Virginia. He married Rebecca Frazee Child of Thomas Doniphan and Rebecca Frazee is: John6 Doniphan, born ; died Child is listed above under Mary Waugh. Children of Lewis Waugh and Mary Peyton are: Children of John Waugh and Mary Ashton are: She was born September 04, in Fairfax Co.

Children of Beverly Waugh and Catharine Bushby are: James Beverly6 Waugh, born January 05, ; died December 09, Eliza Waugh, born August 10, ; died November 12, William Bushby Waugh, born September 03, Alexander Townsend Waugh, born December 22, Henrietta-Maria Waugh, born September 11, ; died June 17, John Wesley Waugh, born October 05, Catharine Virgina Waugh, born January 09, She died June 01, in Stafford Co. Children of James Waugh and Elizabeth Jones are: Lewis6 Waugh, died CT, and died Abt.

He married 1 Unknown Waugh. Children of Champion Clark and Sally Waugh are: Notes for Nathaniel Canfield: Nathaniel Canfield was a protege of James Waugh. Child of Nathaniel Canfield and Urania Green is: He married 1 Sara Pierpont. He married 2 Sarah Pierpont. Notes for George W. Child is listed above under Nathaniel Canfield. Notes for Delia Marie Waugh: They lived, and were buried at East Farms, Waterbury, CT Grandma Cowles, historian of Morris, wrote in her records, "vary kind, excellent people, was very good in sickness, many preferred her to an M.

Excellent nurse, a valuable woman in every respect. William Henry Pierpont, born April 23, ; died August 31, Chloe Marie Pierpont, born March 13, ; died October 07, Died single v. Jane Adeline Pierpont, born April ; died December 18, Died at age 2 vi. She married Lyman E. Bassett; born February 27, ; died July 09, Emily Cordelia Pierpont, born February 03, ; died December 06, Died at age 7 He was born Abt. Children of Rebecca Waugh and William Grayless are: Elizabeth Grayless, born May 10, in Fayette Co.

OH; died April 17, She married Samuel Nickey OH; died March 08, He married Rebecca J. Turner December 31, Martha Grayless, born in Fayette Co.

Rebecca Grayless, born February 26, in Fayette Co. Malinda Grayless, born March 30, in Fayette Co. Mitilda Grayless, born March 30, in Fayette Co. OH; died March 26, Cynthia Grayless, born Abt. Children of Elizabeth Waugh and Nathaniel Gradeless are: Milo Gradeless, born April 22, in Fayette Co. Equilla Gradeless, born in Fayette Co. OH; died November 17, in Whitley Co. OH; died December 05, in Whitley Co. Milton Gradeless, born January 12, ; died March 27, Child of Sarah Waugh and James Riley is: Sarah7 Riley, born December 24, ; died June 18, Child of Azubah Waugh and Norman Barber is: She was born February 14, in Fayette Co.

Notes for Elizabeth Kious: Rode horseback from Ross Co. OH to Sugar Creek Twp. IN on what is known as Patato Creek Prairie. Children of Milo Waugh and Elizabeth Kious are: Ester Waugh, born in Sugar Creek Twp. IN; died December 18, Katherine Waugh, born in Sugar Creek Twp. IN; died August 06, She was born July 19, , and died March 26, Children of Joseph Waugh and Nancy Harper are: Mary7 Waugh, born June 11, ; died October 18, Susan Waugh, born February 16, ; died June 06, Waugh, born January 28, David Miner Waugh, born December 15, ; died September 26, Joseph Waugh, born November 23, ; died Levi Waugh, born November 20, Waugh, born February 28, ; died March 18, Malinda Waugh, born June 13, Nancy Ellen Waugh, born March 10, Waugh, born January 02, ; died October 27, Charles Waugh, born January 29, You talk as if you are scared of life and everyone is gonna hunt you done if you say to much.

Sorry if my manly ways intimidate you. Wow km , throwing insults now uh. Did not know giving you a thumbs up would hurt your feelings. You just showed your weakness. Hope not to many are counting on you when the shtf or anything else.

Gotta love the ozarks! Can get a little turned around with those ridge lines zig zagging; and I happen to know a little of the zigs and zags like the back of muh hand. I have been prepping with my family for some time. I also live in Missouri. I love fishing the big piney. Although I think since they put the prison in, it has gone downhill a bit. I am in upstate NY and I have got to get out of here!!!!

But I would really like to tell you preppers take time to live your life. Take of your shoes and walk through the wet garden, get a little closer to Mother Earth.. Yes I still prep, but never forget to enjoy the life you have. And if you think life sucks that bad well go to the homeless shelter and see whats really going on.. Remember in the end we shall all be held accountable and we shall all die alone, Nobody is coming to save us.

I hope your health problems are short term DPS. Having worked construction lifting blocks, bricks and stones for 35 years it will eventually take a toll on your body.

Yes sir they are short term at least in my mind. Getting stronger everyday so its all good. And I always hated working with bricks and blocks. The logs can get heavy and do wear out your body fast but I still love it.

I just may have to get some younger men to help out. Its good to see you back here. I was just thinking to myself last week of all the people who were once frequent contributors and now have gone silient. I considered Utah, but settled in the center of West Virginia near a large National Forest because water, game, and other natural resources are plentiful.

Some places are remote for a reason and any place that requires irrigation, for example, will go back to being inhospitable. Our population density has not changed since before electricity and rivals that of the Redoubt, but our isolation is geographic rather than distance so during good times we can still get to high paying jobs while the roads are still open.

Someone in an area too remote may have trouble defending their position so be sure to pick somewhere you can still generate a surplus until the event and have enough community to survive. Our mountain holler is far from the highway and vehicle entry can be controlled at one bridge near the entrance. Everyone already heats with wood, gardens, and hunts so culture shock will be minimized and they have useful professions like mechanic, welder, sawmill operator, etc.

Food will literally walk past your porch every evening. The majority of both the Old and New Testaments tells of the defection of the Israelites and Pharisees. The Covenant was with him, not with the Jews who were not even a tribe at that time. And how would that mean that they were not Jews? Abraham was NOT their father, he was the father of only a few people. His uncle was a rabbi. His family practiced the Jewish holidays, like Sopot.

They took him to a synagogue at an early age. Jewish media owners form a network that is detrimental to the West. You never work for the cause. You are just a handful of morons showing up in internet forums. And when you are seen in real life, people understand why.

John Q you hit the nail on the head only problem is most modern day preachers have been blinded with lies and will not except the truth they have the word in their hands and still deny it good call thumbs up. Not just the New Testament, but an overwhelming portion of the Old Testament, testifies to the defections of the Israelites too. I will post references below, so as to avoid moderation limbo.

Hopefully Mac will allow the references. No big deal either way because there is no racial back door to Heaven and no racial chute to Hell. Sounds like Tenet is whos the Fools one here. First you deride the bible, then you Use what the bible states as some type proof you are correct?

Jesus as fully Man And fully God in the flesh, Knew all things. He knew those Pharisee and their jew followers were Edomites. Esau is Turks, Khazers, Askanazis, as what I posted yesterday straight from the old testement verses that describe which Lines of folks decended From Noahs three sons. Askanazi and Khazer were decendants from Noahs Third son, Japhet….

Go read the several posts I posted in the last articles on these Exact issues and see for yourself what the Real truths are based on Both old and new testements. Unless you prefer to abide by the talmud phony doctrines and traditions of Men of such ill repute as Pharisee Rabbis who Invented their Own man made religion. Which Christ Condemned as such. If You truly do seek truth based on actual biblical text and hirtoic documented Facts, then toss that talmud and Buy a KJV bible for starters.

After awhile then you too Tenet will catch up to folks like John Q Public, and a few more here who already have educated themselves on these issues. Plus much info on vast differences between khazars, and actual ancient israelites etc. Read those fact filled info posts I posted in last few articles here, and it will equal a masters degree when compard to so far what you posted shows. Try horse, had it in Paris damm it was better, leaner, more taste, and in a red wine sauce, it rocks.

Not much I give french credit for, but they know how to cook. By the way racoon, with all the stink fat scrapped off is a close second. I have family spread out over that entire region. That will be rectified when I get there.

No shortage of water, timber, or game in that region. Who we speak to and what we say. They know, or can find out through road cameras, everywhere you go. So it doesnt make any difference. Its not like a gangsta is reading this site and will find out where he lives then follow him. Our importance to the PTB is nil. I would definitely like to get in on that deal. But you are still surrounded by them.

I think any thing east of the Mississippi river is asking for trouble. But wherever you go — there you are. Remeber to enjoy every sandwhich, these are the good ole days.

Hey Pastor, our you near the Appalachian trail! I am looking to relocate near there? Kay, I currently have 6 acres with a spring for sale. It is about 9 miles south of the southernmost point of the Blue Ridge Parkway on a paved side road off of Hwy N.

The Trail is not very far from here. If interested, let us know. Beautiful views as well, with a southern exposure. Just do not over feed, other wise too fat. Note when all food gone, who walks on two legs. No guns, No ammo , komikalifornia Pastor; Do watch your upwind though. If things all go down unattended reactors will become issues when the containment vessel blows. Pastor, I do not have much but want to prep and cannot due to my situation. I am scared to death. I am totally aware of what is coming.

Where might I go buy the land etc you mention for 10 g? Please private message me at tinavasudeva1 gmail. I AM the blue! I saw this map earlier today and thought to myself, if any wacko with a bio weapon, virus or otherwise is bored and sees this they will have a pretty good idea of where to do maximum damage.

Fox, I always say the same thing!!! We give away too much info to help them! Even Osama had television! They watch our news they know what we know! I say we need to be extremely careful about what is posted and stated in blogs on TV etc.

It will only help them as you stated perfectly!!!! Just make sure your plans for crisis situations take you far AWAY from the blue. This is a cool map, makes me feel even better about my BOL and evacuation route to get there. Got about ten thousand acres behind my house to hide and hunt in. So once again its the same…blue bad…. The germ is the number one killer of almost all life forms, the higher the population density the faster the spread of pathogens.

WHEN there is some super virus, the areas that will die the quickest is where the virus can burn itself off the quickest. Like a chimney, people die rapidly when the nearly invisible germ strikes. Another very deep and horrible problem of higher population centers is that there is just nothing to go around after the shipments of supplies is stopped. High population centers are little enclaves that ONLY survive because of outside aid that comes in.

Even the most suitable areas for growing food with enough water, heat, and good soil are turned into their concrete jungles that will die when they are no longer held together by the outside influences. Cities were NEVER meant to be self sufficient, and really cannot be because of the lack of what is necessary to grow food, that being arable and usable land.

There are too many liabilities to mention about the downfalls of any populated area. Those that are stuck in one should at least consider bugging out before even of this begins. On top of large popualtions being the first areas to be targeted in war and terrorism, the very set up of the large city favors the place being more of a graveyard than anything else WHEN SHTF for whatever reason.

Thats not the whole constitution, just the 4th. And they do that all across the USA right now anyway. Not a good map at all. Most of the blue marked in Arizona is desert. Dangerous at anytime of the year, it is lethal in summer in a matter of hours. Few have the courage or skills to venture out of town. That can be said for some of California too as the Mohave Desert is marked in blue. A few miles out of town in these areas and you are in wilderness. The East Coast and Midwest are much more dangerous based upon the proximity between cities and towns and the type of inhabitant therein.

Then there is the Phoenix area…a friend told me it is nearly miles long and 5 million people live there. I have NO doubt that marshal law will be declared and all traffic originating from California would be rerouted to the parking lots around Cardinal Stadium, or the old race track off I and Cotton Lane, which coincidentally is close to another prison complex.

Sheriff Joe and his Posse will have their hands full. Those that do will be waiting in line for their last tank of gas that could take them …. Maybe to the Grand Canyon or Vegas if they have a full tank …. Otherwise they are stuck where they are at. Most city dwellers would be lost in the wilderness or woods and die quicker there than in the city. Be safe and maybe see you on the road… dj. Campers and motor homes.

Its a hell of a party or a clusterfuck, depending upon your perspective. The first , vehicles out of LA will drain the gas stations in Quartzite and if you are not gassed up, you can spend the Winter in Wintersburg. Yes its a well kept secret. There is lots of gold in that area. Also elk, deer, bear, cougars, turkeys, and havalina. A number of small lakes dot the Rim; both above and below. The Valley will be a total nightmare in a collapse.

Good luck in North Scottsdale DK. Yourmama-you are such a frigging jerk! Just remember, what you wish for others, will be your fate, no hiding hole for you and your ilk! For me, just the cougars and bears! I live 28 miles from the nearest store and town.

WE communicate with them consistently. We are waiting on them. I looked at him and smiled, gave a thumbs up and for a second the recognition of a fellow warrior brought a smile to his face and then just as quickly his eyes and expression changed and was looking at me as a potential hostile. I can say this because I know what that look looks like… Why? I doubt he meant you any harm, I catch myself doing it all the time, just in case.

David, what Jeff said. With two sons and a wife that were in the service with me and in different branches I think I have a pretty good feel for that having talked to many of them at length on those topics. I let all the older vets know I appreciate their service as well as the ones I meet still in the uniform. In all likelihood it is only a defense mechanism. Just be careful HOW you communicate those thoughts. It may not be any skin off of us, but it could paint a big target on the backs of our family and friends still in.

Article is new Today. Discusses whys and Hows patriots and military need to do a New Neurenburg Trials, to Convict usa feds-Hobammy edwins says a few choice words on the fake birth cert and How it relates to syria fiasco etc too and he inlcudes Traitorous MSM persons too that should be arrested and hauled in front of a New Neurenburg trail based upon the orig trials after WWII ended.

That Edwin is One intelligent Man! Too bad he cannot be Both! Read that new article you will be Glad you did. Not much for wandering strangers. Also some cheap radio comms. Be sure and look for it! Now draw a mile radius average distance for a tank of gas around each of the populated counties and only the areas left are outside the initial zombie surge. In a panic and everyone in a hurry to go where… can you imagine the traffic jams and when some run out of gas or breakdown what it is going to be like….???

I agree that they will be lucky to get to miles away. Montana already has enough out-of-state assholes living here , bringing their crimes , poverty and drugs with them. I see the same old backward assed attitudes still persist in western Montana. In the late 60s western Montana was steeped in this protectionist ignorance. By whom you ask? Large land ranchers to keep per acre taxes low on up to 7 sections of land and illiterate got nothing, will never have nothing yehhahs.

Look at who this group sold off all of the shoreline on Flathead lake too. Since the late 60s, Montana has been selling out thinking they have cut a fat hog. Those that squeak and yell the loudest are those that the contribute the least, burden the most.

What happened to the casinos that was built on the south end of kalispell? What happened to legalized casino gambling that was sold to Montanans, and you ended up with bingo and scratchers, suckers! I would actually like to connect with some folks from Montana who need a good farm hand for machinery work, fencing, cattle work, and anything else involving farm or ranch, the new food safety laws or local government regulation will kill my business if obammacare doesnt kill me!

Im hopeful, always looking, and can punch holes in stuff from far far away! I have been looking at moving to Montana for some time now. And if I can save enough money before all hell breaks loose, I probably will. I could care less about your warning. Often, us nursestend to have more hands on and clinical experience, than most Doctors, just saying…. Invaders of Montana…Get real, people can freeze their asses off in a lot better places than Montana.

No offense to the nice people there. More importantly, since when do any of you think you have the right to stop anyone from going to national land in an emerency and surviving free from the government and established homesteads? Wake up people, not everybody is your enemy just because you see them traveling through your area. Nobody has a monopoly on violence , and if you think you can kill children and families simply because they encroached on you land need to review history. It was common practice prior to roads laid out by the government for traveling people to simply take a straight line from point A to B.

Fences and property boundaries were the work of cattle barrons and farmers And corporations fighting over access to arable grazing land and water, prior to that, most people simply made their homestead as big as they could farm or ranch on. Well obviously now, the national population And corporate intrests is far to great for such ideological freedom as the number of land disputes would be staggering.

So what makes any of you the authority of allowing people free and accessible travel in these United States? The fact is too many people inhabit the earth, eugenics is a failure, and there are not enough murders, suicides, and adults who refuse to reproduce to keep the population in control. Prase the lord for creating sin and tempting us sinners! Jesus died so we can do what we want as long as we repent before we die. Lest we forget the bible is a work of MEN and not God. BTW, the only time my knee will bend is when getting into a prone shooting position, or up from one when the threat is neutralized.

Good luck with that. As far as your attack on Christianity goes. Gotta leave that judgement up to the good Lord; but again, I would like to be a mouse in the corner for that. As far as you tripping off to federal land. You may find Homeland Security there telling you that they own that land and you are not welcome to stay. That has already happened with all the wilderness area that has been tied up by the feds.

Birds of a feather, flock together. Do some research and you will find the bible you fornicate with so much is nothing more than a collection of myths, fables and legends. And those that live on the west coast know what The C ommunist R epublik of C alifornia is.

Yes I know Ca. No one is going to come steal your single wide , toothless bar slut or that pack of mangy chihuahuas kept as an emergency food supply. Montana also has Ted Turner and his ilk. Certainly we prepare, spiritually and temporally, but keep in mind that nobody gets off this earth alive and we will all face our personal judgment at the feet of Jesus Christ the King.

Central Montana has the missile sites all around Great Falls. Jet Stream flows easterly. Should be reversed, great Falls Montana and parts of N. Dakota, Colorado and south eastern Wyoming should be avoided as they are targeted for a couple hundred Nukes each.

Yes no one gets off this earth alive in the flesh. But all get off alive in the spiritial body. As Paul states in 1st corintheans chapter 15, behold i tell you a mystery, We shall not all die but we shall all be changed.

Did Paul say only the good change or the saved? All put on the spiritial body at the moment this flesh body dies. Does this mean that all have eternal life? God will make that decision at the Great White Thrown Judgement. The Spirit has to have a home to live in ,if not in the flesh body, in the spiritial body. Figures, I live smack dab right in the middle of three of these overpopulated counties.

Before any of you comment, no. I do not have a choice in where I live at the moment. It was beautiful in the pictures, but not quite the same when I saw it in person. Too many decades had passed since that book was written. But, I did go on a hot air balloon ride at sunset something everyone should do if they get the chance. I just wish we were allowed to have chickens and goats here. I feel for ya, Jen…. The hills and mountains of east TN never looked so good after being up in NE for the week!!

I was a nervous wreck.. Just the thought of being stuck with my liberal in laws, let alone all the other libs that live there, was enough for me to want to pack up and come home early!! I wanted my home AND my preps!! I hate living here, with all these people jammed so close together. I nearly did fall under his spell, the first time he ran.

It was only about halfway through his campaign when he said something about bombing Pakistan who, at that time was more friend than enemy. It was not the response I expected to whatever question had been asked, and it made me realize he would take us to war every chance he got. From then on, everything he said just made him look worse and worse as a future President. Last year after we drove out there I was an absolute wreck. The traffic, the folks on the freeways, the millions of sheep, the horror of being stuck out there in the midst of that mess even now gives me shivers up and down my spine.

It could make for a wonderful new Christmas tradition. I love baking cookies, decorating the tree and drinking cocoa while watching Christmas specials on DVD. Last year as I started to say grace before meal the interruption was horrific and they continued on as if I were speaking a foreign language, which for them I guess it was. Told the wife the same thing 2 yrs ago. I will never cross into CA again.

I can honestly say we were terrified the whole time. Unarmed and around so many degenerates. ME is getting pretty full of morons too. VT is a Looney bin. Feel free to go to either of those states. But since I keep myself to myself, you probably will never have a problem with me or know I exist, anyway. And stupidity is a jerk online who shoots his or her mouth off without knowing someone AT ALL, just to insult them for no reason.

I can do the bitch-slap thing, too. What the hell does that even mean? I was born somewhere else. My parents were born somewhere else. My wife was born in Tijuana. I guess I hate her too? It was more like a useless flailing that made me laugh because you ran away instead of refuting me. Just to the north of you isnt bad either. Got laidoff 2weeks back and already have a better job and still working part time at cabelas. Are you in Nebraska? I h andave a 3 year old and myself, and I want to try to coordinate a small group around these few states Kansas included.

But nobody will come to my town for help. We have rednecks here?? For a while, I really thought I would want to live in the Berkshires. Then I discovered you kinda have to be rich to afford property there. You could do like the sheeple in Boston and cower in place.

I lived in CO for a year. That was nice in some ways. And too far away from all of my family. Why the fuck you think I went so far. You would go to jail there just for looking at the guns I own, let alone going out back and blowing things up with explosives. It sure is nice living free. No cowering in place here. Good luck with the zombies. I lived in so cal for about 15 years. I bought an M1A once upon a time from out of state because the shops in Cali wanted over 2K for em. Some asshole told her about the brothels, so she thought she needed to keep an eye on me.

Go look ahead of time. Being buried in east bumfuck is not always the best choice. Your ok where you are… just go deeper north some, or head in BS County. You have a lot of options. Dont even think about getting there by 91 or 90 though. Get your alternate routes planned now. One guy from Montana mouths off and you have the whole state pegged as assholes. I cross into Montana weekly and the people are alot more friendly than you. James in Dallas…you will do fine in Montana.

More of a libertarian, maybe. Just what I get from reading your posts. Good luck to you. Great wake up call! None of us on SHTF wants the riff-raff moving in on us; dont matter what state you live in now. Hard to seperate the sheep from the goats at this point in time. A real true down to earth honest freedom loving, America loving prepper would be a welcome addition to my neighborhood. Most libs are socialist and dont know it. They will be generous with tax dollars other peoples money but not thier own.

Merry Xmas or happly holidays on thier yard displays instead of Christ. They cant hide thier lib unvalues any more than I can hide my constitutionalist values. It is very difficult to convert one because they are thinking of thier next statement instead of listening to what you say. The only way is through Fear. Liberals are toilet bugs, just like their president and ALL his boyfriends.

In , there was a chance for America to reverse course, fix the economy the right way, start paying down the national debt, and avoid what is coming. Everything that has transpired politically has occured because they gave these progressives the political cover to destroy America. They are a disease, and diseases need eradication.

I just want to get settled and start having the kind of life I want to lead the kind where I have a large garden, animals, and maple trees to tap, and I get to spend more time each day on my paintings, instead of just being a secretary. I really need to stop replying to things before coffee.

Parentheses, and even while words, go missing in pre-coffee replies. Jenn, If by garden you mean that you may be 6 feet under with family and your decomposing body creating great fertilizer then your headed to the right location.

We had a retreat location in central maine but my inlaws sold their cabin this past spring. I offered market value but they wanted more which I couldnt afford. Unfortunately the real estate market spiked the last 4 months and they ended up getting 20k more than my offer. It was a generational cabin in the family with acreage. A couple low life, greedy aunt inlaws who leech anything and everything off the system blocked me out. Now Living the dream on Maui! The levels around Fuku are barely above background.

Only high readings come in small spots the size of your kiddi pool. Was just talking about the glow in the dark lobsters with a friend, Were already getting Fukushimad i think, maybe why the FDA tripled the allowable background radiation in seafood, so as not to panic peeps, Would rather just not eat seafood! I used to buy imitation crab for salads, the cheapest fish you can get. BI is good, you could walk into the Laupahoyhoy forest above Ookala and never be seen again! Or MtView, miles and miles of fern forest up there!

Prayerfully there will be no earthquakes and tsunamis. Otherwise you may well be living the dream. I love the mountains, Lived in Co for a while, but well you know whats going on there now, I like large scale farming or ranching, grew up in that, so naturally has a draw, would love to spend time in the Northern Rockys, beautiful country, dont get me wrong, Maui is beautiful, but if you like shooting sports or four wheeling, this aint the place, SHTF, not the front of the line, so lots of experiences i want to have in whatever is left in my life, so finding a farm or ranch in south west Mt or Nw Wy or somewhere like that would be a good starting place, still gotta work, so if i can at least be closer to the kind of recreating i want to do would be excellent, varmint management could be good?

Get to keep up on my LR shots. What school did you go to. I worked for the city of Stockton untill California Resident… Lodi high I graduated in Japan. Was born in Stockton and went to HH and Webster. Sounds like you might have lived in the same area. Country Club graduate sports bar near I I went to ST Bernadettes from 1st through 6th grade until they closed the school down. Maybe we should keep in touch just incase I get caught down there I still visit my mom or you excape and head North… stop about 30 miles before Canada.

What is never taken into consideration or even info that preppers are aware ….. I provided ministry there just to get a tour of the camp which is a lot like a college campus with a giant fence around it. That was propaganda to soften the rest of us about the ridiculously callous treatment Katrina survivors received from the fed govt.

And I can just hear a. Saw this earlier — -same thought went through my head, i. Thing is, all those blue areas are where the jobs are. And the welfare offices. Agree that being well off Interstate routes is a major factor.

Lots of cities not on that map are traps, though. Or replace them with incorrect ones that point into deserts or swamps. There is not one blue dot in my entire state WV , yet the county I live in has a 4.

The movie series Wrong Turn is not as far from reality here as we like to think because we still have about the same population as we did 80 years ago. When i think WV i think Deliverence!

No offence PP Just had a friend from there years back, good guy but really reminded me of those fellers who were screwing with Burt and his possee. Ah, cool beans guys, been so long since i saw that i really couldnt remember where it was set, some movies leave a lasting impression. My plan is to ask nothing of anyone, and to look as though I have nothing and want nothing. That is, if I have to be seen at all. When society breaks down, and gangs start coming on our property wanting to break into our house, will God forgive us for shooting them so that our small family can survive?

Thanks much, and God bless you all. If you are in the panhandle and away from hwy 90 and at least a few miles from IH10 it could be survivable. However, all you can do is trust God, use good tactics, focus on the front sight, squeeze the trigger and do the best you can. To look at it a different way, these areas will be full of food sources, assuming you are properly armed. Pick the vegetarian, because they would taste best. Plus, they probably practice other aspects of clean living.

I WW2 the people who ate human flesh in Stalingrad said it made them crazy and most conmitted suicide. I will die before I eat other human or a pet. I think something similar happened on Easter Island. I would have a hard time eating another person. Lol, yea, i gots the fat finger syndrome too!

But hey i can listen to music and surf the web and text my friends all at once! The comment was made my tongue in cheek I assure you. Hunger does weird things to people though, if the cows and chickens vanish it is possible some people could go full Hannibal Lecter.

Just food for thought. Bake covered at til tender usually hours like any pot roast. Remember as soon as they become a threat they cease to become human. I live near enough to major city to be a slight problem. A great choke point near the house. And neighbors of like mind… and a great team… lots of chow, ammo, well, mostly off grid, …..

Ok time for another prep tip thank me later this is only for the serious prepper! I got lbs of books from 50 years ago to present. If I was going to use technology, I would buy one. Good for you Dave! Most of those books are hard if not impossible to find now. Having them on a usb drive all in one is great for portability. Maybe get one as a bugout backup?

Three different name brands, too. If you can read a thumb drive you can read a CD. New Orleans is not marked. Anonymous, I was just looking at the map and noticed that myself. I got into a fight with someone in a bar on Bourbon Street and just barely made it out of there before the cops arrived. Never been back since. Very few Cajuns live anywhere around New Orleans tard…Creoles maybe.

Learn a little about culture before you make broad summarizations like that. So your comment that Cajuns are going to be dangerous due to lack of booze and drugs is based off your single visit and bar-fight in New Orleans? I would agree that New Orleans is probably the most dangerous city in America, but that has little to do with the Cajun people.

They avoid the city like the plague. You may condemn alcohol, but no man on Earth has a right to. What the hell do you expect us to do after we stop supplying your sugar, let it go to waste? They would help you out if you were in distress, even while knowing that you think so little of them. Or they might get a wild hair up their ass and use you for bait if they discover that you originate from North of Interstate Have some like minded friends, neighbors and family to ride it out with.

Too many entitled losers just 10 miles away. A Great Bugout Vehicle: Would perhaps be folks combine some cash and have an old style Pirate ship or english man o war ship made.

Then live aboard ship, use Sails to travel and go opposite directions of trouble spots. Many islands will likly remain safe compared to cities or even rural areas. One old style sailing vessel lke that outfitted with Modern day weaponery, a few large cannons just incase, and off we go to an island to stock food and fresh water.

Plus modern water filters can change salt water to fresh drinking water. We could live like Kings and just keep moving around wherever we want to go to. With a few xtra modern day convienences, it could be way eaiser than it was for pirates in their day.

Free wind into sails and asap its Land HO! Wonder how much cash that would take? Enough to buy a boat like that? I am real good at working the telescope to look for land. Just need aprox more folks and its a done deal almost. Up until May this year, I had totally lost hope of getting out when the balloon goes up or even before. I still have enough supplies to hold out awhile at home just in case. I truly dread the idea of trying to survive in the city with everything that will be happening.

All of the rules we live by for now will go down the toilet. Police will be nowhere to be found. The same will go for judges, prosecutors, and defense attorneys. Courts will definitely not be in session.

I fully expect someone will try to break in my place and take whatever I have. I believe it will happen. Yeah, I think lesser criminals should be allowed to go the thieves, the jaywalkers the embezzlers, etc. Why turn them loose just because the building gets flooded? They should just get a sentence upgrade, to keep the REST of us safer. They will all be shot inside their cells. I said what I said because if I were a deputy sheriff in a prison, I would do the dirty work myself.

I was trying to say I was glad there were other people out there who would do that same sensible thing in the event of such a catastrophic event. I would save the ammo to defend myself and just leave the cells locked. If GOD wants them to survive he will provide a way out. Just my 2 cents. Better to die fighting standing up than go on my knees.

No, what makes you sound like an elitist, is the idea that YOU have the right to decide who lives and dies, according to YOUR parameters. She had a restraining order against her ex husband, who had previously attacked her on several occasions after the divorce. Once she ended up in the hospital in critical condition and almost died. She was 98 pounds soaking wet and he had literally beat her within an inch of her life. She woke up around 4am one morning, with her pound ex sitting astride her in her bed, beating her in the face.

He had climbed in her bedroom window drunk. Part of the tiptoe of totalitarianism is the criminalisation of dissidents, intellectuals and anyone who dares speak out against the regime. I want to live in a community which obeys the rule of law with respect to human life, not one that supports the type of summary torture followed by execution which the mild mannered college professor grandfather of my son suffered. Ceucescu was keen on doing away those who disagreed with his many inhumane policies.

There was one jail where all the guards left and forgot about the inmates. The bottom floors flooded…. Sorry, I strongly disagree. For one thing those embezzling, are part of our current problem. Why should they be set free? Another thing, there have been too many people incarcerated for murder and rape who have been later found to be completely innocent. I am not in favor of mob mentality, it is hard enough these days to get a fair shake in the courtroom. I have worked as a jail guard and I know that there are some nice people there who at one time in their life made some bad choices.

Lots of people are free now, who have done some of the same things, just not caught. Maybe you too, ever used drugs? Urban environments by virtue create a level of mass-mindedness in human beings that is unhealthy by nature, shallow people integrating in the belief they are evolved and have found some new form of thought that in the end is no different than the communism of is not the future of mankind.

Cities have done nothing but create a progressive vacuum of thought that is so destructive to the individual human being that the effect will not be understood until the damage is done and a complete reboot of life is required to recreate civilization. Good evening, Y99, and yes, what you say is all too true. Braveheart… if your truck is an oldie but goodie… your good. If you can get a six with a stick.

Reasonable mileage, built like tanks and a five year old can fix them. Planning another trip there later this month to move some more supplies there. So when bugout time comes, I can just load up a few bags and the gas cans and away I go. Get a little enduro dirt bike, and get more of your gear moved so you can travel light and fast!

Just a thought Bh. Braveheart, Your best bet in that circumstance is to escape and evade at night , you do not want to exfiltrate on any natural lines of drift.

Keep noise , smells food prep to a minimum. Deep bury your waste. Keep your profile broken a recognizable shape can get you killed , stop , look and listen before moving and keep to inside of the tree line.

Avoid sky lighting your self and if possible glass the area ahead before moving , when doing this keep the sun to your back to avoid reflections from you optical equipment giving you away. Make sure you break camp at dusk and set up camp just prior to sunrise check your site from a distance to be sure it is concealed enough to be prevent discovery.

When traveling in a small group be sure to set watches when camped during the day. If alone try to find the most secluded spot you can. If evading regime forces be away of thermal signature when in a stationary posture during the day use a space blanket over your tarp to block your IR signature from FLEIR detection.

IF you do stumble onto hostile others , break contact with minimal firing travel parallel to the noise avoid line of sight keep below the terrain local military ridge Always stop and check you 6 from cover.

IF things get as bad as I think they will you will not be safe in a small town of people. Cause when those people get real hungry where do you think they are going to go? Bury some preps, stored in 5 or 6 gallon plastic pails, sealed in mylar bags and the lids sealed with silicon and then buy them in your back yard where no one sees you doing it or knows about it and ONLY tell your wife an older, trusted son or daughter about it and swear them to secrecy.

Be safe NOT sorry. Thankfully I had two other locations where I had preps stored. Thinking like that really saved my ass. Would like to see an article on food storage and how and where to store it AFTER you pack it in mylar and plastic pails where to put it then….

GOOD people, people you love, can be too sweet and trusting of those in authority , especially if caught off guard. In SHTF that could your downfall. Most of the area west of the Mississippi is too dry and water is an issue in many areas.

Marquette, Michigan is on Lake Superior. No chlorine is necessary. North East Minnesota, the taconite mines, are owned by the Chinese and you just might end up pounding rock in a slave camp.. At Backspace… you might reconsider N dakota…go to this web site. The map is incredibly egocentric just like the densely populated parts of the country. And the good news is that everywhere else, although seriously under represented and much less dependent upon the grid.

The move here was difficult but worth it…I sleep so much better at night. I love my neighbors, I see them every morning and evening…deer and wild turkey. Like I said, was a difficult move but I sleep much better at night. Zombies do travel fast specially when they are hungry and most of them have been used to get free stuff and what is yours belong to them since Archivist, I once knew a girl from Kingsport whose family was related to Jessie James, a real beauty named Terry James.

I try to pass valuable and worthwhile information, particularly when it pertains to history! In dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but once water at sea hit it, it not only became heavier, but the process of fermentation began again, of which a byproduct is methane gas.

As the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can see what could and did happen. Several ships were destroyed in this manner before it was discovered what was happening. In other words, high enough off the lower decks so that any water that came into the hold would not touch this volatile cargo and start the production of methane.

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