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Anyway, Tim wants us to "enumerate all the falsehoods" 'cause he doesn't want MRR to get slapped with a lawsuit. Read the last sentence as: So, first off, we aren't buying out Flipside. We just wanted to add more fuel to the paranoia concerning our far reaching and omnipres- ent control of the "scene". Thanks to Al and the Flipside staff for having a sense of humor. Many of the regular sections contain bogus items. In the le Iters- to- the-editor section, the most obvious phonies were the Bad Religion and Vegan Reich letters.

The rest of the letters we'll leave up to you to decide. Now, the record reviews. All records that were reviewed by A. Rilphoole AR were not real. So sorry kids, but there is no 8 LP Jello Biafra spoken word box set The Scumpit was a hilarious free-for- all for which no one person can be held responsible.

Ok, we finally get to the columns. They are all fakes; that's right, the columnists all wrote each other's columns. The rest were as follows: So it follows that Mykel did not get arrested for child molestation, though the news story and letter submitted by Ben, of course about the whole ordeal were pretty convincing. Well, we didn't really interview Nirvana and hopefully they aren't as stupid as the piece made them look.

Special thanks go out to Lance, Matt, Chris, Smelly, Walter, Joe, and that little gray man for their part in all this. It will contain over 50 interviews wi th, and columns by, people who have been active in the scene for a long time. If you are interested in running an ad in one of these issues, the rates are as normal. For those that want both, we have a reduced rate for just this issue. Ads themselves will be due in before June 1.

Because there will be two simultaneous full length issue 's, we will be adjusting people's subsciptions accordingly. People whose subs end at 1 10 will just receive 1 10 part 1. Those whose subs end at 1 1 1 will receive both parts but not 1 1 1. Everyone whose sub ends after 1 1 1 will have their sub-ending number lowered by one. MRR Radio shows are available lor stations only. Requests for info should be on station let- terhead.

Contact us at the address on the next page. Please send us your records 2 copies of vinyl, If possible-one M Ivl f 0r re view and one for airplay , CD-only release, but no tapes yet. Calif residents, it's S1 6. Write this address for European distribution too.

Back issues are as stated above in sub info. UK office only has issues present. No racist, sexist or fascist mate- rial. Send typed if possible. Must order 5 or more of the same issue. Need business address to UPS to. If you have problems getting MRR from your distributors, try contacting Mordam Records at 41 5 Please send all records, letters, articles, photos, interviews, ads, etc.

Hell, take 'em all. Jonestowni Trenchmouthi Unwoundi Moltr i f fid 16 Sat: Nuisancei Bitchcrafti Grimacei Gridlock 02 Sat: Fifteeni Hoodhousen Corni Scherzo 03 Sun: Youth Brigade Ofl Fri: Remember, Membership Meetings every Sat.

Please send promos for distribution. California rcsidenLs pic tax. Some Enchanted Eventpop punk rom rta Eas: UM usa" S oz. English, have no word for 'reloc. Blacklist Mailorder, Valencia St. Distributors contact Mordam Records, Shipley St. They are a great band, and Drew put us up. Call him or Isabelle 51 4 Dan and the Under-the-Counter- Culture Gig Collective in Ottawa do the only inde- pendent hall shows in town support him! Rori did a fun interview and Keith put us up for two days.

They do shows there too through Prod. Oz gave our singer Victoria a cool tattoo in York, Ont. Catherines, Ont - Thanx. Thanks to these people, 8 BARK played 9 shows in 1 1 days, had places to stay every night, got paid well every show, played on the radio, got tattooed, spoke French, had fluorescent paint land on Doug's amp, saw Niagara Falls, ate poutine, ran from The Man, and met some awesome people.

Oh yeah, had FUN. Canada is a great place to play, and they are very appreciative of U. We mailed records over the border to friends before-hand, and stuffed T-shirts in with our luggage.

If you're going up there, ask these people for some ideas on the best way to do things, as there are a myriad of scams possible to cheat The Man, including fake recording studio letters, etc! Call these people and bands and ask them to help you set things up. Talking with the people involved in the scenes is a great way to find out what is really going on, and these people are really willing to help out. Check out their bands, too.

It is much, much harder for Canadian bands to enter the U. There is some great undiscovered-to-the-U. We played with superstars like C. We've seen lots of shows "E.

The problem is we are all old now and for one detest punk rock. I've been on tour myself and I know how expensive it is. T were fucking pathetic. I felt like I was at a rockabilly show with a bunch of Teddy Boys. At least at a hip hop show you feel like you're in and life is moving. Awww, it's all crap. But, all these anarchist dudes we have been staying with are beautiful people; too generous for words and al- ways happy to put us up or get us a place , feed us and this and that just because we are remotely associated with a movement that happened 15 years ago.

It's only the aforementioned hosts who seem to be able to refrain from "chick jokes" to me and my girlfriend and have no problems letting us into the center of their lives, So what do you make of it?

But the more tunes and fashion I seethe more it looks like "Dead Heads" living someone else's past. I'll tell you what it is. Punk rock is dead, but its "babies" as my girlfriend put it are still going. The fashion and the A-C-G-A riffs are thoroughly dead, but the equality, anarchy, state-free living, capitalism-free tuneage are still going strong.

There, I am at peace now, the Wattie punks among us bearded anarchists no longer get on my nerves, but remind me of when I was 1 4 and getting things a bit wrong.

This letter goes to all of you 21 post punkers who hate "punk", but use it as an integral part of their survival, a common bond that makes instant companions everywhere they go. Please print this epic finally to my seven years of uncomfortable foot wear. Feel free to write to me unless you're pogoing your way to the record store to buy the new DOOM 7", because you hate skinheads and read about it in that childish piece of utopic rhetoric, Profane Existence.

Guess what you sent- one issue of Hippycore and a "Sorry, don't have any". Now, just think if you did this often. You'd have probably made some decent money. Should have banked it, I guess. No tears and a tough shit from me, Rob W. Thanks for sending one out. I'm writing to just cite a few corrections, and do a little griping about your perceptions of us:

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During the night before his departure he dreamt that he was already at Montbrison and, near the town, met a gentleman whom he did not know by sight but Digitized by Google B. The dreamer was aware that when he was a child he had known someone of that name, but in his waking state no longer re- membered what he looked like.

A few days later he actually reached Montbrison, found the locality which in his dream had seemed unknown to him, and there met a gentleman whom he at once recognized as the Monsieur T. The real person, however, looked much older than he had appeared in the dream.

At this point I may mention a dream of my own, in which what had to be traced was not an impression but a connection. I had a dream of someone who I knew in my dream was the doctor in my native town. His face was indistinct, but was con- fused with a picture of one of the masters at my secondary school, whom I still meet occasionally. When I woke up I could not discover what connection there was between these two men.

I made some enquiries from my mother, however, about this doctor who dated back to the earliest years of my childhood, and learnt that he had only one eye. The schoolmaster whose figure had covered that of the doctor in the dream, was also one-eyed. It was thirty-eight years since I had seen the doctor, and so far as I know I had never thought of him in my waking life, though a scar on my chin might have reminded me of his attentions. Thus Robert , 46 actually declares that normal dreams are as a rule concerned only with the impressions of the past few days.

The reference to this same man on p. The accident that caused the scar is mentioned in the disguised autobiographical case history in Freud a , and the event itself is probably described below on p. This dream plays an impor- tant part in a letter to Fliess of October 15, Freud, a, Letter 71 ; it b also described in Freud, , Lecture None the less the fact stated by him remains correct, as I am able to confirm from my own investigations.

An American writer, Nelson [, f ], is of the opinion that the impres- sions most frequently employed in a dream arise from the day next but one before the dream occurs, or from the day preceding that one — as though the impressions of the day immediately before the dream were not sufficiently attenuated or remote. Several writers who are anxious not to cast doubts on the intimate connection between the content of dreams and waking life have been struck by the fact that impressions with which waking thoughts are intensely occupied only appear in dreams after they have been pushed somewhat aside by the workings of daytime thought.

Thus, after the death of someone dear to them, people do not as a rule dream of him to begin with, while they are overwhelmed by grief Delage, , [40]. On the other hand one of the most recent observers.

Miss Hallam Hallam and Weed, , , has collected instances to the contrary, thus asserting the right of each of us to psycho- logical individualism in this respect. The third, most striking and least comprehensible character- istic of memory in dreams is shown in the choice of material re- produced.

For what is found worth remembering is not, as in waking life, only what is most important, but on the contrary what is most indifferent and insignificant as well. On this point I will quote those writers who have given the strongest expres- sion to their astonishment. Tor the remarkable thing is that dreams derive their elements not from major and stirring events nor the powerful and compelling interests of the preceding day, but from incidental details, from the worthless fragments, one might say, of what has been recently experienced or of the remoter past.

A family bereavement, which has moved us deeply and under whose immediate shadow we have fallen asleep late at night, is blotted out of our memory till with our first waking moment it returns to it again with disturbing violence. On the other hand, a wart on the forehead of a stranger whom we met in the street and to whom we gave no second thought after passing him has a part to play in our dream. Experiences of this kind include, for instance, remarks accidentally overheard, or another person's actions inattentively observed, or passing glimpses of people or things, or odd fragments of what one has read, and so on.

The psychic activities that are awake most intensely are those that sleep most profoimdly. Why do we not always dream of the mnemic impressions of the day we have just lived through? Why do we often, without any apparent motive, plunge instead into the remote and almost extinct past? Why does consciousness so often in dreams receive the impression of indifferent mnemic images, while the brain- cells, just where they carry the most sensitive marks of what has been experienced, lie for the most part silent and still, unless they have been stirred into fresh activity shordy before, during waking life?

Thus Miss Whiton Calkins , , in her statistical study of her own and her collaborator's dreams, found that in eleven per cent of the total there was no visible connection with waking life. Hildebrandt , [12 f. For as a rule it ends in hunting out every kind of utterly worthless psychical event from the remotest corners of the chambers of one's memory, and in dragging to light once again every kind of completely indifferent moment of the past from the oblivion in which it was buried in the very hour, perhaps, after it occurred.

The way in which the memory behaves in dreams is un- doubtedly of the greatest importance for any theory of memory in general. Certain theories about dreams which we shall mention later seek to account for their absurdity and incoherence by a partial forgetting of what we know during the day.

When we bear in mind the extraordinary efficiency that we have just seen exhibited by memory in dreams we shall have a lively sense of the contradiction which these theories involve. It might perhaps occur to us that the phenomenon of dreaming could be reduced entirely to that of memory: This would tally with statements such as those made by Pilcz , according to which there is a fixed relation observable between the time at which a dream occurs and its content — impressions from the remotest past being reproduced in dreams during deep sleep, while more recent impressions appear towards morning.

But views of this sort are inherently improbable owing to the manner in which dreams deal with the material that is to be remembered. Strtimpell [, 18] rightly points out that dreams do not reproduce experiences.

Dreams yield no more than fragments of reproductions; and this is so general a rule that theoretical con- clusions may be based on it. It is true that there are exceptional cases in which a dream repeats an experience with as much completeness as is attainable by our waking memory. Miss Calkins mentions two dreams whose content was an exact reproduction of an event of the previous day, and I shall myself have occasion later to report an example I came across of a childhood experience re-appearing in a dream without modification.

The topics discussed in this and the preceding section are taken up again in the first two sections of Chapter V p.

Behind these concepts lies a theory according to which dreams are a result of a disturbance of sleep: Discussions upon the exciting causes of dreams occupy a very large space in the literature of the subject.

The problem could obviously only arise after dreams had become a subject of bio- logical investigation. The ancients, who believed that dreams were inspired by the gods, had no need to look around for their stimulus: Science was immediately faced by the question of whether the stimulus to dreaming was always the same or whether there could be many kinds of such stimuli; and this involved the consideration of whether the explanation of the causation of dreams fell within the province of psychology or rather of physiology.

Most authorities seem to agree in assuming that the causes that disturb sleep-— that is, the sources of dream- ing — may be of many kinds and that somatic stimuli and mental excitations alike may come to act as instigators of dreams. Opinions differ widely, however, in the preference they show for one or the other source of dreams and in the order of importance which they assign to them as factors in the pro- duction of dreams.

Any complete enumeration of the sources of dreams leads to a recognition of four kinds of source; and these have also been used for the classification of dreams themselves.

I9I2, 2, ], the son of the philosopher whose book on dreams has already given us several hints upon their problems, published a well- known account of his observations upon one of his patients who was afflicted with general anaesthesia of the surface of his body and paralysis of several of his higher sense organs.

If the few of this man's sensory channels which remained open to the external world were closed, he would fall asleep. Now when we our- selves wish to go to sleep we are in the habit of trying to produce a situation similar to that of StrumpelFs experiment.

We close our most important sensory channels, our eyes, and try to pro- tect the other senses from all stimuli or from any modification of the stimuli acting on them. We then fall asleep, even though our plan is never completely realized. We cannot keep stimuli completely away from our sense organs nor can we completely suspend the excitability of our sense organs.

Now there are a great number of such stimuli, ranging from the unavoidable ones which the state of sleep itself necessarily involves or must tolerate from time to time, to the accidental, rousing stimuli which may or do put an end to sleep.

A bright light may force its way into our eyes, or a noise may make itself heard, or some strong-smelling substance may stimulate the mucous membrane of our nose. By unintentional movements during our sleep we may uncover some part of our body and expose it to sensations of chill, or by a change in posture we may ourselves bring about sensations of pressure or contact.

We may be stung by a gnat, or some small mishap during the night may impinge upon several of our senses at once. Attentive observers have collected a whole series of dreams in which there has been such a far-reaching correspondence between a stimulus noticed on waking and a portion of the content of the dream that it has been possible to identify the stimulus as the source of the dream. I will quote from Jessen , f. Burdach's remarks on p. A peal of thunder will set us in the midst of a batde; the crowing of a cock may turn into a man's cry of terror; the creaking of a door may produce a dream of burglars.

If our bed-clothes fall off in the night, we may dream, perhaps, of walking about naked or of falling into water. If we are lying cross-wise in bed and push our feet over the edge, we may dream that we are standing on the brink of a frightful precipice or that we are falling over a cUff.

If our head happens to get under the pillow, we dream of being beneath a huge overhanging rock which is on the point of burying us under its weight. Accumulations of semen lead to lascivious dreams, local pains produce ideas of being ill-treated, attacked or injured. While he was imagining this in the dream he woke up and found that a straw was sticking between his toes. On another occasion, according to Hennings , , when Meier had fastened his shirt rather tight round his neck, he dreamt that he was being hanged.

Hoffbauer [ , ] dreamt when he was a young man of falling down from a high wall, and when he woke up found that his bedstead had collapsed and that he had really fallen on to the floor. Gregory reports that once, when he was lying with his feet on a hot-water-bottle, he dreamt he had climbed to the top of Mount Etna and that the ground there was intolerably hot. Another man, who was sleep- ing with a hot poultice on his head, dreamt that he was being scalped by a band of Red Indians; while a third, who was wearing a damp night-shirt, imagined that he was being dragged through a stream.

An attack of gout that came on suddenly during sleep caused the patient to believe he was in the hands of the Inquisition and being tortured on the rack. According Digitized by Google C.

He remarks upon this that travellers will no doubt be aware how cold one's knees become at night in a coach. Another time he left his head uncovered at the back and dreamt that he was taking part in a religious ceremony in the open air. It must be explained that in the country in which he lived it was the custom always to keep the head covered except in circumstances such as these.

Some absurd adventures followed, which he could not reproduce. The Duchess of Abrantes, whose secretary he was in the dream, then appeared. Digitized by Google 26 I. It must have happened hundreds of times that the noise produced by this instrument fitted into an ostensibly lengthy and connected dream as though the whole dream had been leading up to that one event and had reached its appointed end in what was a logically indispensable climax.

When he had done, he turned to one of the boys and asked him if he had followed. The boy shouted back like a lunatic: He had a dream that he was once more crossing the Tagliamento under the Austrian bombardment, and at last started up with a cry: He was ill and lying in his room in bed, with his mother sitting beside him, and dreamt that it was during the Reign of Terror.

After witnessing a number of frightfiil scenes of murder, he was finally himself brought before the revolutionary tribunal. There he saw Robespierre, Marat, Fouquicr-Tinville and the rest of the grim heroes of those terrible days. He climbed on to the scaffold and was bound to the plank by the executioner. It was tipped up. The blade of the guillotine fell.

He felt his head being separated from his body, woke up in extreme anxiety — and found that the top of the bed had fallen down and had struck his cervical vertebrae just in the way in which the blade of the guillotine would actually have struck them.

This dream was the basis of an interesting discussion between Le Lorrain and Egger in the Revue philosophique. The question raised was whether and how it was possible for a dreamer to compress such an apparently superabundant quantity of material into the short period elapsing between his perceiving the rousing stimulus and his waking. Moreover they are the only sources what- ever taken into account by laymen.

If an educated man, who is unacquainted with the literature of dreams, is asked how dreams arise, he will infaUibly answer with a reference to some instance he has come across in which a dream was explained by an objec- tive sensory stimulus discovered after waking.

Scientific enquiry, however, cannot stop there. It finds an occasion for further questions in the observed fact that the stimulus which impinges on the senses during sleep does not appear in the dream in its real shape but is replaced by another image in some way related to it.

The question they raise is why the same stimulus should have provoked three such different dreams and why it should have provoked these rather than any other. It was Sunday, and early morning service would soon be beginning. I decided I would attend it; but first, as I was rather hot from walking, I went into the churchyard which surrounded the church, to cool down.

While I was read- ing some of the tombstones, I heard the bell-ringer climbing up the church tower and at the top of it I now saw the little village bell which would presently give the signal for the beginning of devotions. For quite a while it hung there motionless, then it began to swing, and suddenly its peal began to ring out clear and piercing — so clear and piercing that it put an end to my sleep.

But what was ringing was the alarm-clock. It was a bright winter's day and the streets were covered with deep snow. I had agreed to join a party for a sleigh-ride; but I had to wait a long time before news came that the sleigh was at the door.

Now followed the preparations for getting in — the fur rug spread out, the foot- muff put ready — and at last I was sitting in my seat. But even then the moment of departure was delayed till a pull at the reins gave the waiting horses the signal. Then off they started, and, with a violent shake, the sleigh bells broke into their familiar jingle — with such violence, in fact, that in a moment the cobweb of my dream was torn through.

And once again it was only the shrill sound of the alarm-clock. I saw a kitchen-maid, carry- ing several dozen plates piled on one another, walking along the passage to the dining-room. The column of china in her arms seemed to me in danger of losing its balance. And meanwhile my anxious looks followed the advancing figure.

Then — just as I expected — she stumbled at the threshold and the fragile crockery slipped and rattled and clattered in a hundred pieces on the floor. But the noise con- tinued without ceasing, and soon it seemed no longer to be a clattering; it was turning into a ringing — and the ringing, as my waking self now became aware, was only the alarm-clock doing its duty.

Digitized by Google C. A sense- impression is recognized by us and correctly interpreted — that, is, it is placed in the group of memories to which, in accordance with all our previous experiences, it belongs — provided the im- pression is sufficiently strong, clear and lasting and provided we have sufficient time at our disposal for considering the matter.

If these conditions are not fulfilled, we mistake the object which is the source of the impression: The impressions received by the mind from external stimuli during sleep are of a similarly indeterminate nature; and on their basis the mind forms illusions, since a greater or smaller number of mnemic images are aroused by the impression and it is through them that it acquires its psychical value.

From which of the many groups of memories concerned the related images shall be aroused and which of the possible associative connections shall accordingly be put into action — these ques- tions too, on Striimpell's theory, are indeterminable and are, as it were, left open to the arbitrary decision of the mind. At this point we are faced with a choice between two alterna- tives. We may admit it as a fact that it is impossible to follow the laws governing the formation of dreams any further; and we may accordingly refrain from enquiring whether there may not be other determinants governing the interpretation put by the dreamer upon the illusion called up by the sense-impression.

Or, on the other hand, we may have a suspicion that the sensory stimulus which impinges on the sleeper plays only a modest part in generating his dream and that other factors determine the choice of the mnemic images which are to be aroused in him. In fact, if we examine Maury's experimentally produced dreams which I have related in such detail for this very reason , we shall be tempted to say that the experiment in fact accounts for the origin of only one element of the dreams; the rest of their content seems too self-contained, too definite in its details, to be explicable solely by the necessity for fitting Digitized by Google 30 I.

Indeed, one begins to have doubts about the illusion theory and about the power of objective impressions to give a shape to dreams when one finds that those impressions are sometimes subjected in dreams to the most peculiar and far-fetched inter- pretations.

Thus Simon tells us of a dream in which he saw some gigantic figures seated at table and clearly heard the frightful snapping noise made by their jaws coming together as they chewed. When he awoke he heard the beat of a horse's hooves galloping past his window. The noise made by the horse's hooves may have suggested ideas from a group of memories connected with Gtdliuer's Travels — the giants of Brob- dingnag and the virtuous Houyhnhnms — if I may venture on an interpretation without the dreamer's assistance.

Is it not probable, then, that the choice of such an unusual group of memories as these was facilitated by motives other than the objective stimulus alone? Internal Subjective Sensory Excttations In spite of any objections to the contrary, it has to be admitted that the part played by objective sensory excitations during sleep in provoking dreams remains indisputable.

And if such stimuli may appear, from their nature and firequency, insufficient to explain evety dream-image, we shall be encoiu: I cannot say when the idea first cropped up of taking internal subjective excitations of the sense organs into account alongside of the external sensory stimuli. It is, however, the case that this is done, more or less explicitly, in all the more recent discussions of the aetiology of dreams. The interpreter of a dream should not give firee play to his own ingenuity and neglect the dreamer's associations.

Especially important among these are the subjective excitations of the retina. It is in this way that is to be explained the remarkable tendency of dreams to conjure up before the eyes similar or identical objects in large numbers.

We see before us innumerable birds or butterflies or fishes or coloured beads or flowers, etc. Here the luminous dust in the darkened field of vision has taken on a fantastic shape, and the numerous specks of which it consists are incorporated into the dream as an equal number of separate images; and these, on account of their mobility, are regarded as moving objects.

They are ready to hand, as one might say, whenever they are needed as an explanation. But they are at a disadvantage compared with objective sensory stimuli in that the part they play in instigating a dream is scarcely or not at all open to confirmation, as is the case with objective stimuli, by observation and experiment.

The chief evidence in favour of the power of subjective sensory excitations to instigate dreams is provided by what are known as 'hypna- gogic hallucinations', or, to use Johannes MuUer's term , 'imaginative visual phenomena'.

These are images, often very vivid and rapidly changing, which are apt to appear— quite habitually in some ptople — during the period of falling asleep; and they may also persist for a time after the eyes have been opened.

Maury, who was subject to them in a high degree, has made an exhaustive examination of them and maintains as did Mliller [ibid. In order to produce them, he says Maury, , 59 f. It is enough, however, to fall into a lethargic state of this kind for no more than a second provided that one has the necessary predis- position in order to have a hypnagogic hallucination.

After this one may perhaps wake up again and the process may be repeated several times until one finally falls asleep. This was the case on one occasion with a number of grotesque figures with distorted faces and strange coiffures which pestered him with extreme per- tinacity while he was going to sleep and which he remembered having dreamt about after he woke.

Another time, when he was suffering from hunger owing to having put himself on a light diet, he had a hypnagogic vision of a plate and a hand armed with a fork which was helping itself to some of the food from the plate. In the dream which followed he was sitting at a well- spread table and heard the noise made by the diners with their forks. Yet another time, when he went to sleep with his eyes in an irritated and painful state, he had a hypnagogic hallucina- tion of some microscopically small signs which he could only decipher one by one with the greatest difficulty; he was woken from his sleep an hour later and remembered a dream in which there was an open book printed in very small type which he was reading painfully.

Auditory hallucinations of words, names, and so on can also occur hypnagogically in the same way as visual images, and may then be repeated in a dream— just as an overture announces the principal themes which are to be heard in the opera that is to follow. A more recent observer of hypnagogic hallucinations, G. Trumbull Ladd , has followed the same lines as Mtiller and Maury. After some practice he succeeded in being able to wake himself suddenly without opening his eyes, from two to five minutes after gradually falling asleep.

He declares that it was possible in every case to recognize an internal relation between the two, for the luminous points and lines of the idioretinal light provided, as it were, an outline drawing or diagram of the figures mentally perceived in the dream. For instance, an arrangement of the luminous points in the retina in parallel lines corresponded to a dream in which he had been seeing, clearly spread out in front of him, some lines of print which he was engaged in reading.

Ladd is of opinion though he does not underestimate the part played in the phenomenon by central [cerebral] factors that scarcely a single visual dream occurs without the participation of material provided by intra- ocular retinal excitation. This appUes especially to dreams occurring soon after falling asleep in a dark room, while the source of stimulus for dreams occurring in the morning shortly before waking is the objective light which penetrates the eyes in a room that is growing light.

The changing, perpetually shifting character of the excitation of the idioretinal light corresponds precisely to the constandy moving succession of images shown us by our dreams. No one who attaches importance to these observations of Ladd's will underestimate the part played in dreams by these subjective sources of stimulation, for, as we know, visual images constitute the principal component of our dreams. The contributions from the other senses, except for that of hearing, are intermittent and of less importance.

Internal Organic Somatic Stimuli Since we are now engaged in looking for sources of dreams inside the organism instead of outside it, we must bear in mind that almost all our internal organs, though they give us scarcely any news of their working so long as they are in a healthy state, become a source of what are mainly distressing sensations when they are in what we describe as states of excitation, or during illnesses.

These sensations must be equated with the sensory or painful stimuli reaching us from the outside. The experience of ages is reflected in — to take an example — StrUmpell's remarks on the subject , It is obliged to receive and be affected by impressions of stimuli from parts of the body and from changes in the body of which it knows nothing when awake.

Medical writers, too, who were s. Simon, , 31, and many earlier writers. Thus Tissi6 , 62 f. She was then medic- ally examined and found to be in the early stages of an affection of the heart, to which she eventually succiunbed. Pronounced disorders of the internal organs obviously act as instigators of dreams in a whole number of cases. The frequency of anxiety-dreams in diseases of the heart and lungs is generally recognized. Indeed, this side of dream-life is placed in the fore- ground by so many authorities that I am content with a mere reference to the literature: Radestock [, 70], Spitta [, f.

Tissic is even of the opinion that the particular organ affected gives a characteristic impress to the content of the dream. Thus the dreams of those suffering from diseases of the heart are usually short and come to a terrifying end at the moment of waking; their content almost always includes a situation involv- ing a horrible death. Sufferers from diseases of the lungs dream of suffocation, crowding and fleeing, and are remarkably sub- ject to the familiar nightmare.

In Greece there were dream oracles, which were regularly visited by padents in search of recovery. A sick man would enter the temple of Apollo or Aesculapius, would perform various ceremonies there, would be purified by lustration, massage and incense, and then, in a state of exaltadon, would be stretched on the skin of a ram that had been sacrificed.

He would then fall asleep and would dream of the remedies for his illness. These would be revealed to him either in their natural form or in sym- bols and pictures which would afterwards be interpreted by the priests.

In the case of digestive disorders dreams contain ideas connected with enjoyment of food or disgust. Finally, the influence of sexual excitement on the content of dreams can be adequately appreciated by everyone from his own experience and provides the theory that dreams are instigated by organic stimuli with its most powerful support. No one, moreover, who goes through the literatiu'e of the subject can fail to notice that some writers, such as Matuy [, f. Nevertheless, though these facts are established beyond a doubt, their importance for the study of the sources of dreams is not so great as might have been hoped.

Dreams are phenomena which occur in healthy people — perhaps in everyone, perhaps every night — and it is obvious that organic illness cannot be counted among its indispensable conditions.

And what we are concerned with is not the origin of certain special dreams but the source that instigates the ordinary dreams of normal people. We need only go a step further, however, in order to come upon a source of dreams more copious than any we have so far considered, one indeed which seems as though it could never run dry.

While we arc awake we are aware of a diffuse general sensibility or coenaesthesia, but only as a vague quality of our mood; to this feeling, accord- ing to medical opinion, all the organic systems contribute a share.

At night, however, it would seem that this same feeling, grown into a powerful influence and acting through its various components, becomes the strongest and at the same time the commonest source for instigating dream-images. If this is so, it would only remain to investigate the laws according to which the organic stimuli turn into dream-images. We have here reached the theory of the origin of dreams which is preferred by all the medical authorities.

The obscurity Digitized by Google 36 I. It is not surprising, therefore, that the origin of the theory of somatic stimidation may be traced back to more than one independent source.

The line of argument developed by the philosopher Schopen- hauer in has had a decisive influence on a number of writers. But at night, when we are no longer deafened by the impressions of the day, those which arise from within are able to attract attention — just as at night we can hear the murmuring of a brook which is drowned by daytime noises. But how is the intellect to react to these stimuli otherwise than by carrying out its own peculiar function on them?

The stimuli are accordingly remodelled into forms occupying space and time and obeying the rules of causality, and thus dreams arise [cf.

Schopenhauer, , 1, ff. Of these latter five groups are to be dis- tinguished: The sensation that has been aroused evokes a cognate image, in accordance with some law of association. It combines with the image into an organic structure, to which, however, consciousness reacts abnormally. For it pays no attention to the sensaHariy but directs the whole of it to the accompanying images — which explains why the true facts were for so long misunder- stood.

Krauss has a special term for describing this process: The influence of organic somatic stimuli upon the formation of dreams is almost universally accepted to-day; but the ques- tion of the laws that govern the relation between them is answered in very various ways, and often by obscure pro- nouncements. On the basis of the theory of somatic stimulation, dream-interpretation is thus faced with the special problem of tracing back the content of a dream to the organic stimuli which caused it; and, if the rules for interpretation laid down by Schemer are not accepted, one is often faced with the awkward fact that the only thing that reveals the existence of the organic stimulus is precisely the content of the dream itself.

There is a fair amount of agreement, however, over the interpretation of various forms of dreams that are described as 'typical', because they occur in large numbers of people and with very similar content. The dream of teeth falling out is traced back to a 'dental stimulus', though this does not necessarily imply that the excitation of the teeth is a pathological one. According to StrUmpell [, ] the flying dream is the image which is found appropriate by the mind as an interpretation of the stimulus produced by the rising and sinking of the lobes of the Digitized by Google 38 I.

The dream of falling from a height is said to be due to an arm falling away from the body or a flexed knee being suddenly extended at a time when the sense of cutaneous pressure is beginning to be no longer conscious; the movements in question cause the tactile sensations to become conscious once more, and the transition to consciousness is represented psychically by the dream of falling ibid.

The obvious weakness of these attempted explanations, plausible though they are, lies in the fact that, without any other evidence, they can make successive hypotheses that this or that group of organic sensations enters or disappears from mental perception, till a constellation has been reached which affords an explanation of the dream. I shall later have occasion to return to the question of typical dreams and their origin.

He asserts that if an organic apparatus which normally plays a part in the expression of an emotion is brought by some extraneous cause during sleep into the state of excitation which is usually produced by the emotion, then a dream will arise which will contain images appropriate to the emotion in question.

Mourly Void has set out to prove experimentally in one particular field the effect on the production of dreams which is asserted by the theory of somatic stimulation. His experiments consisted in altering the position of a sleeper's limbs and comparing the resultant dreams with the alterations made. He states his findings as follows: This letter goes to all of you 21 post punkers who hate "punk", but use it as an integral part of their survival, a common bond that makes instant companions everywhere they go.

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The way MRR makes it seem, you'd think we were a church of holy rollers who want more punks in our congregation. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? There's only a select few who also remember how tough the streets were on their own that give us a nod of approval. But on the whole, we're much more welcome in the clubs at South Beach than in the majority of churches here.

If you're saying to yourself. If they come up to me to steal my high, then that's not how Jesus taught them to behave. Look at how often Jesus slammed the religious people upside the head for being like that! That" s the same attitude that had Jesus sleeping outside under the stars, being stoned and kicked out of the temples and synagogues, and eventually mur- dered.

Attitudes like that today, done in "the name of Jesus", still make them murderers. It murders the spirits of all those attracted to a message about love and peace. That will never be us. So bash us if you must, but don't go imposing any of your own prejudices on us wrongly. If you want to tell us that we're wussies for wanting a reason to live and wanting to spread love and peace, that" s cool. But pleeeeze don't group us together with those lime green polyester donut chomping, bullet proof pompadour, money grubbing , air conditioned doghouse, mascara running sham artists.

Christian punk and hardcore is not only out there, but it tears up the scene. Which only makes sense.. I hope you'll check out the included mix with the open mind that you're so famous for. About that open mindedness: If s pretty funny that your justi- fication for not running any pro-life ads is the exact same argument Christians gave for not wanting minors buying 2 LIVE CREW tapes. When Chris- tians do it, they're fascist Nazis. When MRR does it, then you are the self appointed arbitrators of what is "repulsive" and "a particularly abhorrent perspective".

I personally feel that abortion is the slaughter of the innocent, after having some heart- wrenching personal experiences with it, in addition to counseling dozens of women who've suffered brutal damage from the legal procedures. The policies of MRR make it clear that there is no such thing as a pro-life punk, but the truth is that there is! Naturally I expect a huge left slant in any publication like MRR, but where do you draw your lines?

Like the letter on Jello's PC opinions says, how does the left expect to keep from turning into the same sort of ignorant self-righteous boneheads that you're attacking? Yes, hypocrites thrive in the more stag- nant churches, but it seems that they also thrive in the underground scene as well. Perhaps the only difference is that the latter dress better. It seems to me that as soon as one decides to be open- minded, they instantly begin judging everything, and after ruling, completely denounce everything they perceive as closed-minded.

It seems to me that all these open minded people are pretty damn closed-minded! For all those who are open minded and are incensed by that, try this. Take all your keys. Label them, and throw them out into the streets. You won't do it; you know everything will be stolen in a matter of minutes. In the same way we make laws the majority can agree to, like killing is wrong, we protect our thoughts and beliefs from all those who would steal and destroy them.

That's why I choose not to run certain ads in my 'zine. I want to run stuff that will help people, not hurt. In closing sorry to run off at the mouth like that I think you'd be surprised how censored OUR 'zine is. Included is a copy of the front page Miami Herald article about a student who is going to court for passing our stuff out on a high school campus, even though the Supreme Court has already ruled that there is to be no discrimination against Chris- tians, or any religion, in the Mergen's case of 1 We were also kicked off the Broward Community College campus, on the same week that they ran censorship seminars!

Perhaps it was a 'How To' course All the local gay and punk newspapers are circulated widely, but let's keep those Christians away from the public. Despite how all accepting New Age bookstores are, we're also refused there, too, contrary to their 'alrthings are true' philosophy. And, I'm not going to mention how many 'Chris- tians' have thrown our stuff back in our faces and screamed how anti-Christian we are.

I just want to say that there's room enough in life for both. Whafs so 'suspicious' about the angel looking like an X-Man? Please let your readers know that anyone who is in real trouble with alcohol, drugs, the law, abuse, rape victims, crisis, preg- nancy, the occult, social diseases, prostitution.

We network with many groups nationwide not just Bob Larson's and should be able to provide referrals for anyone. It wuz very near people there. It was so packed that just standing still, you lost weight because of the intense heat. A very strong chance. It is probably that the venue was closed when the band arrived there. There is a side entrance to the Dome that bands are supposed to bash hard on the door, to get in their equipment.

Virtually no other band had made such high demands before. This venue has a bad reputation for thug-ish bouncers. It also handles a lot of the touring metal bands and big indie English bands. It also has a rep of high shirt prices too, e.

In England punk music is also generally regarded as working class music, although like America, a lot of middle class and students are getting into it. A lot of bad feeling was generated over this affair. It seems that stan- dards that are acceptable in the U. The underground has more and more become over- ground and acceptable. Is this a good thing? I don't rightly know; it's up to us to decide. I get so fucking mad. And it never fails, at least three times a day I have to say to myself "Tawnessa, you're a woman and proud of it!

I'm sick and tired of being looked upon as a possible fuck and never a buddy. OK, sure I can't piss standing up and I can't drink a case and a half of beer and still live but does that mean I can't carry on an interest- ing conversation on something other than lipstick and clothes.

Still I'll keep searching for that group of guys that are somewhere out there who want to be buddies with someone of the female gender because I enjoy seeing the world from a male point of view, which is often quite different from a fe- male's. I'll admit, I do prefer male buddies to females because I know from experience that there are one hell of a lot of females who suit the names chicks, babes, fucktoys, sluts, stupid bitches, whores, etc.

But there are a small minority of us wildly fascinating intelligent females running around so guys take a real look at how you view us and see if I'm not just a psy- cho-feminist from hell. The sad fact of the matter is that the majority of Ameri- cans are just too damned uninformed to realize the fact that health care can and should be an intrinsic right.

Rightwingers may argue that the USA has the best health care service in the world. Well, in terms of technology, yeah, but along these lines come extreme waste in order to be competitive. Maybe if we didn't waste so much on unnecessary technology at mega bucks perunit we could do something about that embarrassing infant mortality rate. The Canadians seemed to have a system that works.

Every person is covered, rich and poor, black and white. As the middle class deteriorates and employers can no longer shoulder Uncle Sam's responsibility, national health care will either come to the forefront of the national agenda or other systems pay or play, etc. I would just like to urge you punk rock motherfuckers to do something con- structive and write your local congressperson on the issue of national health care. Oh, by the way, if anyone is actually considering voting in the upcom- ing presidential race, Jerry Brown of course is running on the national health care platform.

Or, if the Democrats are just a little too mainstream, vote Socialist with J. They both always have some pretty insightful things to say about sexism. Ifs good to see women talk about sex from their experience rather than a priori, which is usually just dogmatic ranting.

Sex is the big one, the root of all our iniquities and, uh I grew up in the 70's and 80's when the media had perfected its control stratagem.

Millions and millions of manipulated images from our break- fast cereals to our bedsheets, right? Super heroes and candy fixes. A generation who's first sexual imprints came from t. Right now I work at a magazine store that sells, along with "regular magazines", pornogra- phy. The sex industry may be exploitive, but no more than fashion, music, car, sports, Time or Life magazines.

Capitalism and consumerism perpetuate the alienation of each individual or consumer. Since we are never taught the true meaning of UNION in this society, perhaps consumerism is a way to attain a sort of unity with a conceptual whole or "Other".

The marketplace is the orgy of gratification. Each purchase is an exten- sion of the ego trying to attain sex, trying to attain death. There are some lonely fucking people out there! In these technologically advanced times there is no peace or calm for an individual. Reality is too hectic so people search for the "little death", a moment of eternity.

So it is refreshing to hear Lily and Katy talk about self empowerment in the indi- vidual. Self empowerment is the only way to battle the controlling enti- ties in society. Change can only occur when we stop reacting and start creating.

This has been said before many times. Make sex, love fully, and direct your anger proper. In this response you are justifying your reasoning for not printing pro-life ads. I understand why you don't want to print them, and that's fine. However, I think if s bullshit to say that refusing to print such ads isn't censorship. A censor is commonly defined as one who is empowered to judge the fitness of manuscripts, communications, advertisements etc.

By refusing to acknowledge that what you do is censorship you are setting a rather dangerous precedent for your readers. What you are doing is saying that if s not really censorship to refuse to make money from people who hold differ- ing viewpoints from yourself.

Under such a defini- tion then it isn't really censorship when record stores boycott Jello Biafra records, or any other records for that matter. I realize that there are other formats in which to express views in MRR. I'm thankful for that, and perhaps I'm being too picky about word usage. But, when MRR starts to mess with definitions to suit its own purposes, it does the same thing as many religious publications do. I think that that is the first step towards becoming dogmatic, and that thought makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

So what does that have to do with anything. Well, I just think that you should call your ad policy what it is: Then justify it from there. What made me mad was the staffs reply to the letter of Sean of Hardline records on the February issue.

I would like to state that I'm pro-choice, and also that I don't like most of the Hardline philosophy but I feel that your decision of not running their ads because of their pro-life politics and because of them being sexist is just some stupid censorship.

Mostly because in the same MRR issue I saw: Allin 7" who was convicted for sexual and violent assault on a woman and has sexist and violent lyrics and tries to sexually assault women at his shows, an ANAL CUNT ad who some may say have a sexist name and logo , and a half page ad for INTEGRITY a band that promotes "violence as a sport" on their records and in their interviews.

I think that racist and fascist material should not be published, but I feel that sexism is too personal of a subject to be standardized. By the way, you have a columnist, Mykel Board, who could or could not be labeled sexist by a lot of different kind or people, so I guess thaf s all; so remember, to have an abortion or not to have one for me is still a woman's right, but judging something as sexist is an objec- tive thing so you can't set standards for it and you can't ban it.

Thaf s just my opinion anyway. I find it very interesting that you feel it's okay to refuse to publish racist and fascist material. Now why wouldn't that be censorship as well? According to your definition, our ad policy is indeed censorship.

Call it what you want and there is your confession. The problem is, I don't have the same definition as you, and we're going to go around debating that point forever.

Whatever our ad policy is, you can be sure that we don 'tha ve a standardized definition of what "sexism" is and what constitutes that. As you can see by the ads that you've pointed out, we've had tomake some hard decisions, some of which I don't agree with.

Working with a group of people that have varying opinions on what they can live with, compromise seems to be the best I can come up with. Whatever label you want to put on our ad policy, I have no problem with that. You may term us censurers or censors or whatever, but we have tried to strike a compromise position on ads.

And with all compromises which are neces- sary in any organization or society that contains more than a handful of people , they work in mys- terious ways. Depends on who's around that day, what kind of mood they're in, and how the ensuing discussions go. It's not totally that arbitrary, but it's not black-and-white either.

Defining iwhat is racist is usually pretty clear cut, but sexism is more of a gray area. What is sexist and what is sexy? Does this artist hate everybody and does that artist just hate women?

Are these people just being smart-asses and are those people serious? And after that kind of discussion, there's the give-and-take within the staff of trying to balance decisions to keep as many people satisfied as possible.

Ultimately, we must walk a fine line in producing a zine that a large group of shitworkers can live with, cuz otherwise they walk. How can they put so many hours into something without getting paid and then feel it promotes something that's so antithetical to their most basic beliefs?

And at what point does this internal democratic process become an external censoring process to you and other readers? If you've got all the answers, lotsa luck.

With that said, I think you have to understand the difficulty of working as a collective unit in getting this fanzine out especially when it comes to accepting ques- tionable ads. By accepting something to be printed in our zine, I can't help but feel that we lend it our tacit support.

There is and always has been a huge debate over what is and isn 't censorship, and if any of you have a solid definition, clue me in, okay?

This is howl view the ad policy: To me taking money tor something which offends your morality, is little more then whoring your soul out to rock n' roll. I think we all do enough of that in our day to day mainstream lives, so I kind of like to think of MRR as the one vehicle I personally can try to leave unsullied. We aren't attempting to keep products away from consumers, in hopes of protecting them or anything, because we'll certainly review a "ques- tionable" record or zine whether or not it gets slammed is the reviewers perogative.

We just won't take cash for it, no more, no less. Truthfully I've questioned ads we 've taken: However, the definition of sexism, sex, and just plain sexy can easily cross over each other, and this is really a tough one. But please under stand this, We are a Fan- zine, a magazine put together by fans of in this case punk rock.

We are not a public trust, with any obligation to uphold the "sacred" first amendment. We are all champions of free speech, however that does not mean we have to lend ourselves to supporting the idea being espoused.

Cheezy as it sounds we do this, as a labor of of love, love of music, and love of an underground movement that we all, even the most cynical of us still have great hopes for. Therefore it is up to us to decide what it is WE the day to day shitworkers are comfortable with for ourselves. Why can't women be incorporated into the rest of the zine via female bands, female writers, etc.

Whafs so bad about a women's section? People including wom- en!? Wait a minute, I thought this was fucking punk, I thought some of you had function- ing, somewhat radical brains! But no, yet again, I am letdown as people prove to be lacking commit- ment to any sort of radical or revolutionary shit.

Many people including women were un- easy about this, and maintained that it was "sexisf to "single out" women in that way! Allow me to quote from Bikini Killzme 2: Why is the emphasis always put on how a feminist feels about men and not on how she feels about herself and other women?

We talk about men all the time and the fucking second we start talking about ourselves, it gets turned around on us, and again, we are talking about men.

Look, I'm not going to cite statis- tics, but anyone who is at all aware knows that women are abused, killed, fucked with, put down, shut up and LEFT OUT! I find it painfully ironic that Suzanne and Lali wrote columns critical of women for not having the strength to stand up for themselves, and now they totally discourage women from doing just that by shifting the focus of the column to "gender politics" i.

Are you so concerned about being cool and "un-P. Fine, if s your mag, do whatyou want. Hadley, MA Dear Allie radical and revolutionary Riot Grrrl, I felt I should respond to your letter because it exemplifies a general lack of understanding, which is partly our fault for not explaining what direction this section is heading. On December 8th, Maximum had it's first staff-wide meeting in three years, and this section was discussed by everyone. Of course, one of the more frustrating things about working with such a large group of people, is that not everyone is going to agree A few of us, myself includ- ed, felt it was important to give this section a chance to address issues which maybe didn 't always have a place to be dealt with in just a letter or a column.

Others telt it was separatist and that if we were were going to have a women's section, we should have a Black section, and a Gay section, and an Indian section, etc. Well, I just wanted to see the issues get dealt with and possibly generate ideas and dialogue. Since "dealing with real life women's issues" involves both men and women questioning themselves and their attitudes, it would be rather ignorant, in my eyes, to try and come up with solutions that don't include a man's perspective.

Should they be excluded from "women's issues"? It's not just up to women to be concerned with "sexist" attitudes, it's just not realistic. And it's pretty fuckin' preachy to point out what it is that men have to change about their attitudes and then demand that from them when they haven't been included in trying to under- stand our interactions.

It seems as though some of you need a sense of humor. Do you know how many people wrote in with the assumption that we were serious about the name "chycks are people, too"? If anything, we were making fun of the spelling of woman with a 'y" by adding it to some- thing as silly as chicks whoops, too un PC of us? Everyone always writes in about how we need to get a sense of humor, well.

So, Allie, it's not that we're not angry, we just happen to be able to use humor as well to get that point across without turning people off. It's definitely an over assumption on your part that we're not feminists well, I should just speak for myself.

The way I envisioned keeping this section interesting was not by printing a bunch of letters complaining about how sexist this male- dominated world was, but by focusing in on a specific issue and presenting different sides of it, for example, last month, you'll find just straight information on how to give yourself an abortion.

An alternative to rip-off doctors. To me, that's a lot more useful than another column on how some guy grabbed some girl at a show. Both are valid, but let's offer some real life alternatives, right, Allie? After Suzanne's reasonable well thought out reply, I've decided that I can be a knee jerk reactionary asshole.. So hey Allie, gee I guess that according to your high and mighty standards, I'm not a feminist because I don't blindly support all actions which are taken by women Well no offense Allie, but I like to give women a little more credit then that, and not condescendingly treat them as if they are some fragile hothouse flower whose every action deserves a pat on the head especially if I disagree with it or think tha t it is totally fucked.

Because truth be known, and whether or not you like it Allie, women are not the perfectly faultless creatures that you would seem to want us to portray them as. Yes unequivocably women are raped, murdered, abused, denigrated etc. Howev- er men are raped, murdered, and abused as well. Women don't have the sole claim to being abused. Humanity as a whole sucks and we all do really shitty things to each other on a regular basis, and if women are doing these things then fuck 'em, I'm not going to keep my mouth shut about it.

Same as I will act towards a man who I disagree with, I will towards a woman as well. As for "gender politics" it was not a "Women and Their Sexual Relations With Men" section , it was a forum for discussion on men's attitudes towards sexism.

Again like it or not men make up half the planet's population and you will have to deal with them, no matter whether it is on a sexual level or not. It's not my job to pamper anybody and if that doesn't make me a feminist because I try to treat people equally no matter what their gender, race, age, or sexual preference is, then fuck feminism.

It's obvi- ous to me that if this is the girl riot's tactics, then it is no better then what we've got going on now. If they're oppressed, we better be prepared to give them space as well, 'cause to single out one group as "special" is just a tad hypocritical to me. Since I'm so totally irate at this point am I exonerated and an acceptable raging, and revo- lutionary radical? Yeah, who fucking cares. Not long ago, the fall of the Soviet Union opened many doors to the western world for many exchanges of culture.

However, not all is as well as it seems. On recent missions, I myself have taken part in, the oppression of the Russian people is still apparent. Simple freedoms that we take for grant- ed every day are seen as major barriers overcome by the citizens of the newly formed Commonwealth of Independent States.

Although I freely admit that upon entering the CIS during missions of Provide Hope, my thoughts were somewhat self-centered. My only interest seemed to be of the "great souvenirs" that I would be bringing back. Naturally, I stocked my luggage full of the usual G. Upon arriving , we began off-loading the food and medical supplies that we were donating.

Work- ing alongside former Soviet troops was an experi- ence that I wasn't quite emotionally prepared for. Eventually, the walls that two years of military brainwashing had built up slowly began to erode away and the old self I used to know began to emerge.

It seemed odd to me, but yet very optimis- tic that we should meet not on a battlefield but on terms of friendship and man helping man. Later, after the shipment was unloaded, I began as previously planned to trade the items that I brought. One soldier offered his military issued overcoat for two cartons of Marlboros. I told him I only had one and he grudgingly agreed. Feeling that I had somehow cheated him, I asked if he would like some cassette tapes in lieu of cigarettes.

Hequickly agreed so I pulled out a bag that I always travel with. I gave him my walkman and two cassettes. As quickly as the tapes left my hand, I was swarmed by Russian troops offering everything from hats to good luck charms.

I traded every tape that I had in my possession. Although I parted grudgingly with many of them because they were mostly special orders and out-of-print items. When I arrived at home and had time to relax, I had plenty of time to think about what I had just accomplished.

I've probably just dealt the oppressive governments of the former Soviet Union and the United States a small, but effective blow. I utilized a government mission for peace to transfer a small amount of government resistance and punk rock culture to an entirely innocent and naive youth and it was all legal. This letter is in response to your new women's section "Chicks Are Peo- ple Too". I am very surprised to see MRR practicing separatism.

I hon- estly do not under- stand this political- ly correct90's "fem- inist" way of think- ing. It is so hypo- critical- women complaining about not being accepted as equals in the punk scene, then demanding special treatment via two "wom- en's pages" per issue of MRR. Maybe I'm just not PC enough, but I believe that women who feel the need for a separate women's section are women who will never be accepted as equals to men.

Black I mean African American , Asian, old, handi- capped sorry- differently abled , etc punks are as misrepresented in the punk scene as women, yet I don't read or hear about these minorities de- manding special treatment.

If women and other minorities want their voices heard, they should talk! The letter section of MRR is not for men only. Itis male dominated, but I sincerely believe this is because the entire alter- native scene is unbalanced, male to female ratio- wise.

I've written only one other letter to MRR in eight years of reading, and that letter was promptly published, as were scene reports I've written. As for women who aren't being taken seri- ously in their local scenes, persevere! There are many female stereotypes to overcome.

Just remember that separatism is not the way. I'm not advising anyone to put up with abusive behavior, I'm just suggesting that it is not always bad to be challenged. It could be a lot worse- and hopefully in the near future attitudes will be much better. And as for assholes in the scene, well, I don't know anyone idealistic enough to believe that the punk scene is all about unity.

There are some truly incredibly people involved, but there is also as much name calling and backstabbing as there is in any other clique. Assholes aren't indigenous to any race or gender or culture.

I speak from experience. I'm a 23 year old human being, female if you want to get technical. I've lived in Memphis, Tennessee for six years, and I have been involved in the Memphis scene for nearly that long. I have booked shows and written for fanzines, and I'm now starting a record label with my good friend Gina Barker. For over five years I worked in the male dominated empire of the comic shop.

Everything I've done and every bit of respect and disrespect! I deserve are due to my accomplish- ments as a human in a human world. I try not to whine, bitch or moan about how unfair life is being a female in a male dominated society, because whining , bitching and moaning won't accomplish a damn thing!

I'm too busy having fun to worry about spelling woman "wimmin" or "womyn". I don't ex- pect special treatment from neither men nor wom- en, nor do I expect it from people of different races or cultures. People take me seriously or however I want them to perceive me because I am serious about taking care of business. L7 was great as usual.

Jennifer Finch made the comment, "Does anybody out there fuckin' care? They played some new material. I didn't watch Pearl Jam be- cause I'm a biased music listener, however, I'm glad they played, as they drew people in who might not have otherwise come.

Lunachicks fuckin' rocked the house; they are so tight! Theo, the singer, was charming as was Becky Wreck, the drummer, who did a song about be- ing a woman and not having men grab you on the street.

Watch out - they'll blow you away! Alex Winter was a total fucking dumb- ass who thoughtthat calling George Bush a "Big wide, open, smelly pussy" was appropriate lor the theme of the evening.

Kim Gordon appeared to mock him, and behind the scenes, cornered him into feminist discourse. Then Alex had the nerve to return to announce Fugazi and say, "I'm sorry, I should have said George Bush is a big, fucking dick. However, all of my women friends said they were harassed and grabbed throughout the show. Theo and I com- mented on how we could see women going up on top of the crowd and stagediving, only to get their tits grabbed by members of the audience and staff.

Another female friend encountered a gentleman yelling, "Fuck pro-choice, who gives a shit about fuckin' pro-choice! Are they pro-choice so that they can fuck her, leave her, and not worry about seeing any kid begging for money? Are they going so they can get some action, since so many women will attend?

What the fuck is it? I want to know. I want to know so that I can comfort my friends that get sardined into erect dicks and have no way to get out. Erect penises from behind, or as you try and dance to "Suggestion".

Is it that some men do not like fe- males taking charge in the alternative scene? Is being a dick to women really punk or alternative? We're talking mainstream male aggression towards women. Fucked for you, me, her, and him. Gabri OTo MRR and its Readers - Recently it seems that a good deal of the epistle writing punx-sters have been very blithely presuming as fact that punks '""' and hippies are one and the same. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Perhaps as time advances inexorably and memories fade blurrily everything "alternative" over the decades seems to blend together in some solipsistic soup. Are they sub- genus' who can mate and produce viable off- spring? I'm not attempting to obfuscate the issue with verbal largess but I do wish to point out that each group has its own particular character and can be distinguished by, if nothing else, the simple historical period in which it occurred.

As a personal footnote I will claim that whenever a particular new style remains past the time of its origin and is continually incarnated anew it becomes known as "classic". Whenever a style goes out of vogue and only seldom, if ever resurfaces, it becomes known as "period". Punks are not hippies. They are quite different.

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