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Paul forbids women from teaching and having authority over men. Therefore, the pattern of the early church was established by Christ who chose twelve men to be His inner circle and then entrusted the early church to their oversight. From that point forward post Acts 6 , God raised up a plurality of men to serve as deacons who would serve alongside the plurality of men who would serve as elders.
Beth Moore violates this early church pattern and most importantly — the text of Scripture found in 1 Timothy 2: A double dose of church this weekend! The point of the Bible is clear, women are not permitted to have authority over men, and how is it possible to teach the Bible without authority?
The pattern of ministry Beth Moore has developed will continue to manifest itself in local churches so long as local churches continue to incorporate her resources in their ministries. Beth Moore does not approach the Bible with a disorganized methodology, but she does approach the Bible with a deficient hermeneutic — one that should be rejected. This method upholds the single meaning of the text of Scripture and does so with a careful analysis upon the terms and grammar used in the text.
Beth Moore, often very animated and passionate in her delivery of her Bible teaching employs a method of biblical interpretation known as allegorical interpretation.
This is a method of spiritualizing the text and making it say something other than what the original author intended.
This is perhaps the main interpretative method used by Beth Moore. This practice is often viewed as a spiritual method of approaching the Bible that involves emptying your brain and preparing to hear God speak. It substitutes intuition for investigation. It prefers mood and emotion to methodical and reasoned inquiry. God has spoken clearly and we can see what God has said as we read the Bible. In recent years, Beth Moore has been beating the drum of ecumenism with fervor.
Looking forward to sharing these programs with you. Beyond the obvious connection that Beth Moore has with Joyce Meyer, she also leads conferences with other charismatics and engages in teaching strange doctrines. Beth Moore relates the story of a woman who approached her during a conference with a message from God:.
I have no idea why God sent me with such a message to give you, but He told me clearly to say these words to you: Discernment is needed today in the church like never before. To allow women to go through church sponsored Beth Moore studies and gather for simulcast studies is to open the doors of the church to unbiblical and dangerous teaching. Pastors, guard the doors and educate the people to exercise biblical discernment.
My grandson says he really likes the band Beth Moore and The Distance. Emma, he is listening to Geoff Moore and the Distance. Geoff for the last 15 years or more has been solo. To my knowledge, there is no connection at all to Beth Moore. Your grandson sounds like quite the young whippersnapper! My grandma lives just up the road from Port Manteau. Her name is Mrs. Malaprop and she makes the best cookies ever from recipes she gets from her computer.
If she reaches just ONE soul, good for her! Get a life Josh Buice. Josh, YOU are the one that should be yanked out of bible studies. What is the difference if I speak to a friend or to thousands of friends about God?!?! He quoted ONE scripture repeatedly. After all, those are also demanded by Paul in 1 Timothy 2: She always offers disclaimers at her conferences that she is there to teach women — not men. It does say in the Bible that women are not to preach the word.
The difference is that the pastor is over and aware of what is being taught. If Beth does not have a man over her and working with her on her topics of discussion well that could be cause for sin against the Lord.
Only the Lord knows and we are not to judge that is his area. I read your post you put there. Yes, it is good to save lost souls. But if you have committed to the Lord. You will find out that it is forbidden for a woman to become a pastor OK?
In regards in being a pastor. Beth Moore is not teaching in the proper ethics in Bible ways. As she is thinking that Catholic ways are correct. And that they are denomination within evangelicalism. If you read the bible. It says first hand. That there is no other Father but God. As you see in the verse there is only one Father. And Your not to pray to other angels. Because they did not die on the cross for your sins. Only Jesus Christ did. So the people in Catholics pray to Mary Magdalene to intercede for there sins to ask Jesus to forgive them of there sins.
So means we should worship and pray to God. And look at the what Catholics are doing now. Having Homosexuals as Priests in a Catholic churches. And becoming to be a member of the Catholics in good standards. This simply means it is a sin in the eyes of God to be a homosexual. And as far as Beth Moore teaching and becoming a Pastor. This is morally wrong in the eyes of God. Which says plainly saying 1st Timothy 2: And this is plain that God meant this to be part of the commandments we must follow.
If you deny any of Gods commandments. And follow just some. Your not doing right in God eyes. As we must be always righteous in God at all times. And People and Christians just going to church and only learning Gods wisdom only on Sundays only.
Does not give you sufficient growing abilities and wisdom and enough knowledge. Reading the bible daily gives you that ability to grow and prosper in the Lords ways.
I have prayed for you. Hoping God will touch you to understand my meanings. I hope your saved. There is only correct interpretation of the Bible, but many different applications, Where are your scripture to to refute his Correct point view.
This article is BUNK!! I agree with you, this article is bunk! Read for yourself and ask Jesus to show you what it means. Open your heart to the WORD because it is all powerful. Yes it is interesting. Follow your rules and please man yet judge him.. You make a statement that simply cannot be validated. Beth continues to claim that God spoke to her…God said to her….
God spoke to her in a vision…. Do you know women even got the vote? What a chauvinist you are! Paul also preferred singleness. Does that mean he was single, or that all Christians are called to be single, according to the Bible,by no means. God intended us to have a helpmate. I saw her on Saturday and she was very clear on working with the Southern Baptist Convention,but being Ministering interdenominationally.
I as I said earlier prefer the Biblical nondenominational. She may have said the word catholic, but she never taught or promoted it in any way, shape,or form. If she had, or had promoted the Baptist or Methodist denominations, I would have walked out of the program. To even understand that verse.. In first-century Jewish culture, women were not allowed to study.
I think you all screen them somewhat apparently as this did not happen with your agency, they seemed genuinely nice and interested. Thank you very much Dave. Benjamin and Mia met during our March tour. Benjamin and Mia met during our March tour to China and were recently married in the United States. We would like to wish them a happy, prosperous and most of all loving life together! I met a lady in Dnepropetrovsk. I liked the Dnipro Social better than Kiev. Joe, Anna and the rest were tremendous and very helpful.
I met a lady in Dnipro, and I am currently back in Ukraine vacationing with her. It was a good experience for me. Once again, thanks for everything! I would like to personally thank you, your staff, and. Adams, I would like to personally thank you, your staff, and most importantly your tour leader during the September Ukraine tour, Joe, for their professionalism and outstanding service during this trip. Ukraine was the first time I had ever left the United States and despite having traveled considerably around the country, Joe and your staff made this trip one of my most treasured memories.
Besides meeting numerous fantastic women that took me on some of the most romantic and incredibly thoughtful dates I have ever been on, Joe and your staff were amazing. The support, the tenacity in their work, I cannot begin to describe the relaxed yet productive atmosphere they produced for someone on a vacation for his first time in a foreign country. It was truly a blessing and an honor to explore a foreign land with you company.
I also wanted to thank Bud for his correspondence prior to my departure regarding some questions I had. From start to finish the effort on my part was minimal. Once I had my passport in hand, the rest was simple and straight forward. Regarding the socials, they can, at first, be extremely overwhelming! Even as a self-professed Alpha Male with an abundance of confidence, I was slightly taken back during the first Social.
After that, with some experience in the country, once the Dnipro social fired up, I was ready and even more excited. At the risk of this sounding like a sales pitch, I cannot stress enough that anyone who is on the fence about AFA or the site or the tours GO.
Get off your ass and GO on one of these tours. You will NOT regret it. This trip was an eye opening adventure and I would be hard pressed not to do it again. I had a blast and while I am sure your other tour leaders are just as fantastic, Joe gets my vote for his incredibly relaxed and efficient demeanor. I cannot say enough about his support during this adventure. My deepest and most sincere thanks, Timothy C.
I really feel compelled, though, to compliment Anna. Overall, we had a great time, met a lot of interesting people and most importantly some interesting and attractive women. Joe was a great point-man and made the socials and travel a lot of fun. I really feel compelled, though, to compliment Anna, who went above and beyond to make sure that everyone had a great experience.
I heard about several situations which she helped some of the other guys get through, resolving and avoiding some potential personal and maybe even legal issues for them.
For me personally, Anna was much more than a local contact and manager. She went out of her way for me on several occasions that really made the difference between an "ok" and "outstanding" experience. Just a few of the ways Anna went above and beyond: She arranged a private tour of Nikolaev with a local history museum guide.
This was a great tour that addressed my specific interests in the city. Not only did she arrange it, but when the taxi driver that initially arrived was rude and difficult, Anna came to the rescue with a new car and driver, to make sure I got the most out of the experience.
I met a young lady in Nikolaev that I wanted to see again when we were already in Kherson, and I had to head back to Odessa that same night. Anna took care of all of the logistics, arranging for a trustworthy car and driver to bring my young lady to Kherson for the day, then to take us both back to Nikolaev for dinner, and take me the rest of the way to Odessa so that I could catch my early morning flight back to the U.
Between her impressive local contacts, expertise, friendliness and seemingly endless support, Anna made this a unique experience that I truly enjoyed, and am happy to recommend to others.
She is a wonderful lady, and I am very happy. As you can tell from the photos, we get along very well! The attorney says that the Immigration Visa for Inna and her son will take about 8 to 10 months. Hopefully I can catch up with you guys on Saturday at the Rus! Your staff was very friendly and helpful. The location of the Socials in Kiev and Zaporizia were extraordinary the one in Dnipro was nice but it was dark inside, for me good lights inside is important for the interaction with ladies.
Will definetely do it again. This was everything you promised and then some. John, This was everything you promised and then some. Leonard and Jane in Thailand were excellent and extremely helpful in providing me with a great experience and the perfect woman. I truly fell in love with the city and the people. John, Medellin August My interpreter was great. She is a large reason why my trip was succesful.
It was hard to leave Medellin. I was very emotional because I felt like I was leaving friends who i May never see again. This was not like other vacations where you visit an area and then go bome. A trip to Colombia is much different. You meet new people and make new fri3nds, and you become attached to them in a way that makes it hard to leave.
Colombia is everything they say it is and more! I would like to pay the highest compliments to my translator Juliana. John, Medellin August I would like to pay the highest compliments to my translator Juliana. She was exceptional and she is now a good friend Without her I would not have met my new lady. She helped me throughout the process and made the tour an enjoyable and successful one for me She not only helped with your details but was exceptional at highlighting the the best of Medellin Please pass on my thanks.
I employ people andcIbxan honestly say she would be one of the best customer service focussed people I have ever come across. She is a credit to your company Overall a successful tour for me. Thank you David H. I truly without any doubt had the time of my life.
John, July Ukraine tour. Where do I begin? Bud, Anna, all the interpreters, completely amazing. As Bud says, it was a good problem to have. I met some of the most wonderful people in my life, made tons of friends from all over the world, and would definitely recommend this life changing experience to anyone.
With all the trials and tribulations of my experience I met someone that I hope to have a future with. She is absolutely amazing, though so many women are from the Ukraine, she is one that I will hope to marry and have a family with in the near future. It was not easy for me, many tears were shed in the process, maybe a!
But overall, this was the best experience of my entire life. I mean that with all my heart. Bud, is great, always there when you need him, Anna, the office Manager from Odessa, is just amazing, and both very tentative to our needs, and will go the extra mile without hesitation to resolve any matters that may arise.
As is the entire crew and everyone I met, were just magnificent. Though I plan to go back and work on the relationship I now have, I would love to go along for the ride again someday, and if my situation takes an unfortunate turn south, I may do that. Thank you so very much. Words can not describe my gratitude for the opportunity. Hello Bud, I have been in touch with Scott and he filled me in on the very generous and kind shout outs you have been sending my way.
Thank you from every fiber of my soul. The trip will live with me into eternity. Will you be conducting the October seminar in Miami?
I live on the Fort Lauderdale area and would attend to say hello and support your program! Take good care my friend! I met some great women on the tour and I had tremendous fun. John, The tour was excellent.
The staff including Anna, Bud and all the support staff were completely fabulous and very helpful. AFA is the only company that lives up to its reputation. John, The tour was well organized. The socials were interesting and all they were presented to be. The staff made the trip exceptional. I stayed behind after the tour to look further into my new contacts. The Kiev and Odessa are staff helpful and courteous. AFA is the only company that lives up to its reputation as a international introduction agency.
It is not enough to collect millions of dollars from lonely men. A company must be positioned to actually help. AFA does exactly that. I was very satisfied with the organisation on arrival in Odessa. John, I was very satisfied with the organisation on arrival in Odessa, especially Anna AFA Odessa, the manager of the Odessa office was very helpful to me.
Also i want to praise the skills of Bud the tour leader, he knows his tours very well. I had a good trip! I am seeing somebody now I met on the trip, hopefully it works out, if noti will come back on this site to meet new people, we will see.
An amazing experience that I will always remember. An amazing experience that I will always remember!! I met and dated many wonderful and beautiful women. The comraderie among my tour mates was incredible. Everyone was positive, friendly, helpful and had a great sense of humor, advice and stories. As far as I can see, everyone was having the time of their life.
Bud is a wonderful tour leader and really cared about us being happy and enjoying the tour. It was nice to meet him in person and listen to his advice. My favorite social in Kharkiv was absolutely unbelievable!!
There were so many beautiful and nice women to meet who were very down to earth and sincere. I even won the dancing contest with a lady I met there!! I really want to thank everyone at AFA for giving me the opportunity to have such an wonderful experience!! Go on a tour!! It will change your life!! My Trip to Kiev, Poltava and Kharkov was a blast. My Trip to Kiev, Poltava and Kharkov was a blast!! All of you excided my expectations. Your Staff in all three cities is amazing.
Really they are incredibly helpful. The thing that impressed me the most about your staff is that they really care about all of us guys on tour. Doing their job is one thing, but your staff goes way beyond as they are genuine people that care about each individual. I feel that I am in good hands when I tour with Bud and each city office staff.
I would love to tour with Bud again. The socials are an adrenalin rush for me. The Ladies are unreal, So many beautiful women that want to meet us. Also the comradery between the guys on tour is hard for me to put into words. I met some really good guys from many different walks of life and made new friendships.
We were all rooting for each other, sharing stories, advice and laughing together. I was looking for that one special lady in my life to settle down with and to my surprise I had to make a tough choice in Kharkov because there was several really fantastic ladies and finally two that I really fell for. I spent the last four days of my trip with my new exclusive. Her name is Elena. I am leaving Orlando in two days to spend another seven days with her in Kharkov. It was an unforgettable trip and truly amazing time.
I want to personally thank Bud again and let him know that the work he does changes lives. Ukraine and this trip has touched my soul in any ways. John, I loved the trip for many reasons. The quality ladies, historical and tours were amazing. I was touched with the participation of the Kherson orphanage.
Ukraine and this trip has touched my soul in any ways! Bud is a tremendously caring, knowledgeable, genuine person.
We laughed and had great conversation form the breakfast tables, bus rides and social events. I would attend another tour in a heartbeat! Iya at your office is awesome. John Kiev Tour Iya at your office is awesome!! She replies quickly and has answers any questions.
Bud was awesome as well having to juggle about 40 men. Ana on our bus ride from Poltava is awesome too. But my favorite because she went above and beyond her duty is Natasha calling me a taxi so the mall so I could get a tie for the Social and checking to see if I made it back to the hotel safely.
She also helped me get in touch with a lady I met at the Kharkov Social. Natasha also helped to interpret for me after the Poltava Social because my interpreter could not be available. What an awesome person she is!!!! All your staff deserve a pay raise John. John Odessa Tour Bud was the best. Funny, knowledgeable and experienced. All your staff deserve a pay rise John.! Bud and the girls in the war room of each city worked hard for all us guys on the tour and deserve everything that you can give them John.!
The pick up from the airport for me at was the start of an interesting couple of weeks.! I got plenty of exercise, had lunch or dinner with some beautiful women and enjoyed my time with Bud and the girls. The interpreters at the socials were also very good. My only regret is that I did not go on one of your tours years ago.! I was interested to see that of the 20 women I picked for each social the majority only wanted to meet individually. Thanks for allowing me on your tour to Ukraine.
It was a great experience for me. I know how much you earned last year.!! Regards Mike in Madeira. Thanks to the hard work of your staff.
John You likely do not recall, but I met you and your wife last November in Bloomington. You had visited your son in college and I had recently returned from my first visit to Kiev. Yesterday I returned from my second trip.
I attended the Kiev - Paltava and Kharkiv tour. Thanks to the hard work of your staff, my second trip was a huge success. It is not very often that a vacation can change your life - but this one may end up doing that.
The purpose of this email is to thank your employees who contributed most to making my trip a big success Let me start by thanking Bud. What a great guy he is! He is close to perfect temperament for his job - babysitting financially successful men who are way outside their comfort zone.
Bud is patient and firm. He has a combination of kindness and confidence. When Bud said something - in a country where I had no control over anything - I was confident he would make it happen. Some of the men on my trip were lost when it comes to women.
Others, less so - hopefully I am in that group. Regardless, Bud was the voice of reason and provider of not just information but insight into how to deal with the emotions that a trip like this can produce. He did a great job and hope you tell him so personally. His best piece of advice - ignore women under 25 - was the best advice I could have gotten.
There are lots of gorgeous 30 year olds and Bud helped me ignore the eye candy and focus on what has the possibility of working for me Next, I wish to recognize Anastasia, my interpreter in Kiev. She is a very professional interpreter - she never makes the mistake some interpreters do of chatting with the girl or me and not sharing the information.
She is also very kind and caring. I felt like she was helping me - part of the team. She was the voice of reason when it was easy for me to act like a kid in a candy store. She gave me valuable perspective that let me focus on being calm, having fun and not over analyzing dates. On my last date, we had the taxi driver from hell who came close to killing us driving from Dream Town to Buddha Bar. We got out of the taxi with no external injuries but she was quite shaken - she says to me "Scott, I love you, but please never ask me to sit in the front seats with these crazy taxi drivers!
A note to Bud, Buddha Bar was one of my cheaper meals as my date did not order anything expensive Last, I wish to thank Anna my other interpreter She was very supportive as I met a much younger women who I fell in love with. I thought from the first date it was magic and Anna was very kind and supportive. She said that Alena and I were her favorite couple. Little things like this make a huge difference when trying to make the best choice off of very limited time together.
Well, I will be moving to Scottsdale in September. I am in internet marketing - if you want free ideas on how you can grow your business - you are invited to join Bud and I when I buy him a drink.
Lead Gen, SEO, and affiliate marketing might be ways you want to consider getting men off their sofas and into the dream vacation of their lives. Scott PS - One last comment - I am sure you use several measures to determine the success of each trip. Obviously, monetary success is important. One indicator you might use is how many men left the tour early.
In my case I left the tour early. This was not due to problems with the tour - no. It was due to the tour meeting my goal. I wanted to meet 3 women I would be honored to marry. Once I did this, I wanted to focus on my number 2 goal - pick my top two choices and spend more time with them. I would recommend this tour to any man wishing a beautiful and younger wife than he can meet in the US.
I meet my husband at one of the "love me" offices. I used to work at a computer accessories selling department. I meet my husband at one of the "love me" offices in Lima in Sara and her team work helped me a lot finding the right guy for me. I gave Sara all my personal information and I also told her what my expectations for a guy were. One day while my actual husband was in Lima for two weeks July Sara emailed me his and other guys information and invited me for dinner meeting.
Unfortunately because of my job I missed that social. Few days later, Sara called me telling me that there was a guy named Samir interested in meeting me. So I arranged to get together but I had to request a translator as I spoke basic English. So when the day came I was ready to know all about this new guy Samir. Elizabeth the translator was amazing as she could explain all the topics that we were talking about to get to know each other a little more.
I got together couple of times. So we went to: One day Samir and I talked about our future as a couple. We made the important decision to stay together forever.
So I made the most important decision of my life. Drop my family, friends and job and move to Orlando Florida June Few months later we got married on December 18th, and since then we are so happy and pleased with your company.
I am engaged to a woman I met through AFA. If you would like my input I would be happy to give it to you. Thank-you for helping me find my true soul mate.
Both staffs were great to work with for me. The only thing I wish was that I had more time to spend in both places. I guess that mean I will have to go back and see which lady I will move forward with in a relationship. I have to tell you I had a great time in Ukraine. Hi John, I have to tell you I had a great time in Ukraine!!!!! Thanks to you and your staff. I fell in love with Kharkov. I can not say enough good things about two of your staff Anna and Elena from Kharkov.
They are both amazing people that love what they do bringing professionalism to there business. John it is crazy that I was in the hospital 9 days before I jumped on the plan for this tour. But I know that was one of the best decisions of my life. Even if non of these girls work out this trip was a transformative moment in my life. Thanks again John for working so hard creating an organization to make this dream come true.
It was a magical moment when Anna and I met. She was siting at the head of the first table at the social. I went right up to her and told her we were going out after the social. She said yes, like we had known each other all our lives. After I got done going around all the tables I came back and there she was, waiting. We spent that night at the bowling alley and all the next day together like teenagers.
We talked about everything and each of our lives, like old friends catching up. Everything lined up, including the three children we were going to haveha ha ha. She said the it would take her some time.
She could not say how long or why. She has had three marriage proposals and been to the Alabama, California and Arizona. That girl is going to have thousands of marriage proposals! I would definitely get on the next plane and marry her if she calls! My friends that know me as a professional soldier and accomplished business man are horrified that I would consider marriage and having children again!
Anna happens to be the Fifth Element for me. Mine and that of my brothers. I walked away from the your AFA Tour thinking that it was worth all the blood, treasure, tears and lives lost.
Freedom is a phenomenal divine gift. Thank you and the team for a life changing event. Hello John, I hope that all is well and that you and everyone on our tour has arrived home safely. I really want to thank you, Ken, Joe, and Anna for a memorable experience.
Damn I under estimated what he said: The club location was perfect. Anyway, once again thank you and the team for a life changing event. AFA Staff, The experience was very good. Anna and Joe are great, I say a special " Thank You" to them!!!!
This was my third Euro Club trip to Kiev in a 10 months. Hi John, Following up from our conversation on Friday. This was my third Euro Club trip to Kiev in a 10 months time frame, and I am so happy to report that this trip was delightful. This trip for me was everything I have always expected or wanted out of Euro Club. Elena, who helped me did an absolutely amazing job.
She paid great attention to the type of ladies I wanted to meet and delivered exactly that. The quality of introductions was outstanding and even the quantity i might add was great. Elena could have given me 2 or 3 or even 4 more introductions but i was busy doing my second , third and fourth dates with the girls i had met before especially since my time in Kiev was running short. I had a higher total number of introductions compared to each of my first two trips.
The biggest and most important difference on this trip for me was the fact that the ladies were not only beautiful and met my criteria 9especially height and english proficiency etc but were there to meet me for the right reasons. Not just to have an expensive meal or any other reason but to meet me and explore a chance for a relationship. It appears to me that Elena did such an excellent job at giving the girls a back story about me.
She also gave me a back story about the girls before we met and this made for very nice conversations once we met. The introductions i received on this Euro Club trip give me a real chance at a relationship. Iam continuing solid communications with a few girls from this trip and even though nothing is ever guaranteed, for the first time since i started doing Euro Club, i feel pretty good about the prospects of a real relationship.
I will be back in Kiev in a month or so to continue building on this work that i started. The biggest take aways for me from this trip and i really hope future participants could experience what i experienced; 1 The right introducer, in my case Elena, made all the difference. Dont meet at a restaurant or hotel lobby. There are so many nice cafes around the office.
I would suggest keeping the first meeting to no more than one hour. In conclusion, thank you for the programs and everything your are doing at AFA. You gave an excellent seminar. Thanks Bud, You gave an excellent seminar! The information you personally gave to me concerning Fiance Visa vs Getting married in Costa Rica was very much appreciated.
Your team is to be congratulated. I believe your service is really making a lot of men happy for the rest of their lives. Gustavo, although he did not make the introduction to me and Andrea, made me realize when I visited him in Costa Rica that foreign introductions are the real deal. He was so personal and the introductions he made for me gave me hope for this whole industry was great and provide a much needed service for men like me that thought love was over the hill at my age. Gustavo was the one man who proved to me that I had made the right choiceto date a foreign girl.
Your information about needing about 90 days in country after going to the Embassy there set my fate. Thank You so much for the information! I was a little nervous since it was my first tour. John I had a great time on this trip, I was a little nervous since it was my first tour. But all that was put to rest once I met Bud and the girls from the office in Kiev. Bud was an excellent tour leader and guide, showing us really great locations for dates, giving advice, or anything he could to make our trip easier and more enjoyable.
All the girls in the office were extremely helpful and made sure that we got dates and that they went smoothly. I am looking forward to returning to Kiev in the summer if possible for a singles tour. Thank you for an unforgettable experience! Bud was the very best tour leader anyone could have. John Bud was the very best tour leader anyone could have.
He made sure that we all knew what was going to be every day. All in all When Bud arrived on the scene I was happppppppy to see someone smiling and informative about my next couple of weeks This guy was great and I not gay or any thing like that,,,, I love women I just want this Company to know how great this guy is as a tour leader Thanks Bud for making me feel secure in this wild adventure.
I used your service for delivery for a couple of women in different cities within the Ukraine. The flowers were fresh and the candies were well packaged both which helped enhanced the women that I sent them to have a great experience.
Thanks again, Ken H. In my opinion my individual tour was a success. Anna I really liked Medellin it is beautiful and a charming city.
I am already planning my next trip to Medellin in October because I would like to celebrate her birthday with her. Guys thank you very much for everything! This was my first trip with AFA. I had many dates with nice ladys and still talking to two ladys from home now.
The Chinese girls of the AFA office where the best at everything from meeting me at airport to seeing to all my needs at the hotel. My trip with AFA was the best trip I have ever had and this is saying a lot because two days after I was in Shenzhen My father passed away I felt so bad because I was not at home helping my family in this hard time. The guys that came to Shenzhen all got together to help me feel better about my loss.
I made many life long friends there and that in its self was worth the trip. Me and 4 new friends I made on the Shenzhen trip are already planning a 2nd trip together to the Ukraine sometime in Save the lost or police the saved? The Jews in the future. Peter refers to this as a partial fulfillment in the book of acts. The band name is actually Geoff Moore and the Distance. You win the internet today Emma K.
Josh ……The scripture says: Even a fool can be mistaken for a wise man if he keeps his mouth shut… Did God say to attack the position of women in the church … so God talks to you too.. Surely you have not taken this upon yourself to drcree …. This is why the Kingdom of God is so slow in going forward.. That is very wise. I just exhorted my parents and brother and family to do the same.
Have the Berean spirit: Jesus warned us many false prophets are come into the world. Am I reading you correctly? You have exhorted your father and brother and other family members? Should you, a woman, be doing this? Uh, and this comment is kind of like tongue in cheek all the way. Thank you for taking time to read and interact with my article. You mention the biblical gift of a pastor in your response.
It should be mentioned that God once gave apostles as a gift to the church. Where are the apostles today? So have the miraculous gifts. She frequently does so in conference settings. There is a method and plan that God has established and His plan is not open for discussion or deviation. This really bothers me because I enjoy watching Beth Moore every Wednesday night.
Thank you for the information. The Bible disagrees with you. Also 1 Corinthians God has given us this gift and all others in even more abundance for today. These people are living in the past. Back then it was culture for women to be seem and not heard. He has given her the ability and the heart to spread His word.
To go out and spread the gospel. Scripture is very clear that women are not allowed to teach over men. Obviously they could teach other women and children only. I pray for the author of this article to walk in love, peace and joy. Seems that Josh has a bunch of rocks and is looking for someone to throw them at. Dave Musselwhite, the Jews were going to throw real stones at the woman to kill her.
Pastor Josh does not want anyone to die, nor is he advocating actual stoning. That is both dishonest and unfaithful to God and His word. There are real people that advocate killing infidels and using real stones to kill sexually immoral people, namely Muslims.
By using this passage to slander Pastor Josh, you belittle the real evil that Jesus was addressing and the real evil that is happening today on the other side of the world. I pray that Josh takes time to pray and seeks Gods wisdom,and refrains from writing ignorant posts. Beth Moore us a false teacher. She makes her own interpretations up about what verses mean as she flails around on stage acting like a stand-up comedian. She has also crossed the line giving so-called unbiblical prophesies.
She is a danger to women. Men taking her classes isnt really her fault now is it?! With a few exceptions some women philosophers , advanced education was a male domain. Because most people in Mediterranean antiquity were functionally illiterate, those who could read and speak well generally assumed teaching roles, and—with rare exceptions—these were men. Paul commended the ministry of a woman who brought his letter to the Roman Christians Romans Phoebe was not the only influential woman in the church.
Whereas Paul greeted about twice as many men as women in Romans 16, he commended the ministries of about twice as many women as men in that list. While passages such as these establish Paul among the more progressive writers of his era, the primary controversy today rages around other passages in which Paul seemed to oppose women in ministry. Before turning there, we must examine one passage where Paul clearly addressed a local cultural situation.
I am disgusted by whatever generalization you have put on Beth Moore or Christine Caine or Joyce Meyer or any other woman in the church who feels called to speak up. God is proud of his daughters.
This article is so outside the lines of the life of Christ. He must be a trump supporter. How Christians cannot create space for equality is reprehensible. I pray that this thinking becomes a thing of the past so that the gospel will move forward in life redeeming ways. If the write of the article is a Trump supporter then what would make me since I am not even remotely concerned about Amedica as it is not my country and the outcome of your elecotoral results would not impact my personal life or living standards; neither I am an Male Chauvinist MCP who shuns women down or beat them up.
Kindly do not assume political alliance based on their Biblical viewpoint that is more in the line of calling spade a spade. Also if you look at the context in which Paul was speaking it was a cultural issue. They are freeing and drenched in the open love of Jesus.
If God had no call on Joyce Meyers life she would not be so heavily gifted! Same with all of them! In fact God will judge u for not using your gift! I noticed he is against charismatics! That is case closed he is not grounded in the word…read the book of acts! That is charismatic Christianity in action! My suggestion you sit down and read the Scripture Mark 9: I sometimes listen to Beth Moore in the distance.
That is, I listen to her on the radio while washing clothes, vacuuming, etc. But kindly back check whatever you hear. Paul commended them Bereans because they did not believe him point blank but went to the scripture and checked whatever Paul has preached. It applies to whoever we are listening. You will know then for sure if listening to Beth Moore is profitable for you or not. Thank you for this article it makes me love Beth all the more as you are narrow minded and unloving in this article.
Please give your biblical justification for the art and science of hermenuetics. What does this device of man have to do with faith? How do those trained in science and observation, walk by faith, but sight, when we are not to walk by sight? In Acts 14 Paul rips his clothes to shreds when named in honor of this false god for the message he delivered. Why do we yet strive to be able ministers of the letter and not the Spirit 2 Cor.
One thing I have learned is that no one not even Paster. My Grandmother was my first preacher. Who are you to Judge God and who he works through.. There is a vs that says in those days we will be has the angels neither male or few male. I appreciate your concerns and efforts.
Please keep it up! To be forewarned is to be forearmed, spiritually! We have a duty to be the watchmen in Ezekiel 3 and 33 to look out for false doctrines and anything that draws souls away from the simplicity that is in Christ.
I am very encouraged by your example. Paul had MANY women on his ministry team and left many women behind to start home churches. Women always preached in the churches, always. Paul often encouraged it. In fact in 1 cor Timothy was having problems with these women snubbing him and working on their outer appearance as opposed to doing good works. He will one day give an account to God over all of this. So yes, you can teach outside the church walls and at conferences.
The article is weak. No references or teaching anything about the original language. Head, authority, submit, have often been misinterpreted from the original greek for purposes of power and control.
Beth is clearly ordained of God. Not my personal liking, but she has been called to preach. Kim, Michelle is not wrong and she most certainly knows scripture. Paul made it very clear that women are not to teach over men. And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper [disgraceful] for a woman to speak in church. And the key verses in 1st Timothy are 1 Timothy 2: But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
Beth Moore tells a lot of blah-blah me stories, with some Scripture verses thrown in. Josh, thanks for your succinct list of the main problems with teachers like Beth Moore. These pide pipers are twisting the word of God by not reading it in its full context. I can see many people oppose this article. They are the weak Christians voting for Hillary Clinton. I am sure they have not even recognized the evil Obama has done, but that pales in comparison to what Clinton is about to do.
I have attended several teachings of Beth Moore. I personally love what she has to say. God talks to me on a regular basis too. I am not catholic… I am a daughter of my king! The king of kings and the Lord of Lords… and yes, my Father talks to me because He loves me and we have a relationship together. The God I serve is a God of Love and not dictatorship.
Josh you contradicted yourself in the same message… you said that the apostles died and so did the miracles… and then later you said that the Word of God was true. The first 12 apostles died but there are modern day apostles and there are still many miracles today.
You need to spend some alone time with God and practice the art of humility along with a whole lot less self-righteousness. Militant feminism has and is creeping into the churches.
The apostate church as described by Paul in II Timothy 3: The rise of a dark, subtle sensual spirit of antichrist blended with Babylonian charm is sweeping over our land like a storm. This fits perfectly with the pattern of the rise of the LGBT occult. The stage for the antichrist to soon emerge is rapidly being set up with hurling velocity. If they were as spiritually astute as they profess they would be at home serving their kids and loving their husbands.
You sound like one of those male chauvinists. The preferences of Paul are not to be taken literally. He is writing from a male Jewish perspective. I am not saying she is completely right but you need to watch how you treat women. Timothy must have had problems with them and the ladies basically told Timothy to Buzz off.
Paul always encouraged women to preach as many of them had home churches as seen in a lot of his letters. Woman do not want to be put in the back of the church, not allowed to speak, lets just turn the universe back years. Paul, while certainly a man of God, admitted to being in the flesh. He plainly stated that though he believes he speaks with the mind of God, he was still a man and therefore capable of mistake. Jesus had many women within His inner circle.
Mary Magdalene, an independently wealthy, unmarried from what we can tell from scripture was only one of them. Jesus appeared first to a woman, not by mere coincidence. All i here here is jealousy.
This Sounds of the preist who worked to get Jeasus crusified. How sad you are that you harp about men , i seen none should she eject any that show up? I find it ironic that we hold Lottie Moon up for the saint that she was and tell how she led men and women in China to Christ, and that was OK because she was called a missionary.
But here in the states women cannot do that. I think you make a good point, Peggy. Clearly, God utilized Lottie Moon in great ways to His glory. Rather, he stated that he does not allow women to exercise authority over men and the context of that prohibition is in the church. He states that women should remain quiet, and the context of that is in church gatherings. But she spent most of her time and efforts evangelizing women and children. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.
For it is better to marry than to burn with passion. Lottie Moon seems to be a tremendous example of what is possible when God works through a single believing woman. My pastor once said, when listening to ANY human teaching, eat the meat and spit out the bones.
The primary command of Jesus Himself? My heart breaks when I read articles like this one. May God have mercy on your soul! Randy, you are correct. This is a big issue, that women bring their feminist views and try to alter scripture to excuse their sin. Like they know what it means more than God does! Many have their idols that they are unwilling to let go of, believing that they are teaching rightly the word of God without searching scripture to see if what they teach are true.
It is knowing the difference between right and almost right. Since they hear Beth Moore teach some truth, her avid fans assume all truth comes out of her mouth. Men are to be over their wives, not the other way around.
Same goes for teaching, women do not teach over men. Good luck with that. Have you heard her teach?
What specifically have you heard her say that was flat out a lie and unbiblical? But sadly this article is false too. Hey scripture says greet each with a holy kiss oh my why are you not doing that Also say how terrible it is for a women not to wear head covering.
The article even hypocrite as it say Moore Faulty Biblical Hermeneutics. You the writter just as faulty. Hello Peter daughter were prophet to the church. Judge over Israel was a woman. Romans guess what a women was a apostle. The name is a female name. So many cannot read the bible. So things are custom of the day not a absolute for all time.
Washing feet was the custom does ever church do that today? Sadly women run to Meyers and other false women without any discernment at all.
Paula White another false women love. You cannot be serious???? I cannot believe that you are believing what you are even saying… Jezebel spirit?!?! At home serving their kids and husbands? You clearly have studied Revelation…sadly, the ones arguing against this article have not. Even setting aside the argument regarding women teaching men, the rest of this critique of Beth Moore is spot on!
A significant reason is because of secular humanism tied to feminism creeping into Biblical interpretation, and thus misinterpretation of scripture to fit secular society falsely empowers women in the church to the point that they overstep traditional Biblical boundaries, and intimidate and virtue signal men, to the point where men stop attending due to the false doctrine that is turning churches lukewarm, apostate, and ultra-feminine.
Jesus help these men not be so obtuse when it comes to interpreting scriptural Context and give the rest of us credit for knowing the scriptures as well as they do and have done our own studies and conclude just as intelligently but differently than they.
Thank you for this, pastor. This is discernment done correctly. Where are the men? There are far more women in the church then men. When did you ever serve in the nursery or bring food when needed or sing in the choir or teach a bible study. Most men sit at home while the wives go to church and take the kids. When is the last time you invited someone to church or lead someone to Christ? Barbara, none of that matters.
As Justin Peters one of the most humble men I have ever met said, she is one of the most dangerous women in evangelicalism today. She is so skilled at twisting the Scripture that she makes it virtually unnoticeable by the less discerning. Maybe the problem is the lack of male leadership which some of the comments here seem to leave a sense of threatened men. As you know, prophesy is a word from God. You should note that 1 Timothy 2: Why do people keep mentioning Deborah? Deborah was a judge.
It says absolutely nothing about Deborah teaching the Word or being in authority over men or anyone in spiritual areas. And in Judges 5 she sings a song of praise to God for what He had done. Just read Judges chapters 4 and 5, friends. Barbara Your forgetting the important part here. This is a commandment from the Lord. And if you read in the bible and look up 1st Timothy 2 you will plainly see what it indicates that God himself said those words.
And are you better than God huh?? If you are denying God. You need a wake-up call. God specified why he wanted man as a prophet. Quit being a racist person. And think women rule everything. Because they sure do not. If you are not saved. You would not understand the ways of the Lord.
As God says that in the bible also. The loss are like the blind leading the blind. They know not the lord and his ways. You might do things in Church. But your a lost soul who truly does not understand the Lord. I will pray for you. One tip bit here. I do a lot for the church. And I also do bible study. So I am well knowledgeable in the words of the Lord.
And I do read daily the bible as well. Doug — Deborah WAS a prophetess. Further, Paul mentions women using the gift of prophecy in 1 Cor I have no problem with good male leadership.
Just wish I could see more of it once in a while. Barbara, I sympathize with your frustration. Read my comment above. Satan is attacking not only the American church, but America as well. There are positive movements among men in Christ; Iron Sharpens Iron is one of them.
I agree with you. Her ministry comes from the Bible. I am the shepherd of my little home flock and that being said, I become a servant to my lovely wife and beautiful daughter leading them by example as I follow Christ. They would have it no other way. We, as a family, seek only to Glorify God and enjoy Him forever. Read more Scriptures and there is plenty of evidence of women ministering and even leading. I have seen some very powerful and anointed female ministers, who are called of God and not to the egocentric whims of men.
Muslim, gypsy to name a few, are cultures who also believe women are not equals or viable and merely there to facilitate men. When a man loves his wife as how his own flesh would like to be treated and cares for her as Christ gave His life for the church, then a marriage can be filled with love and respect. Unfortunately, where women are regarded as second rate citizens, the country is economically weak and a place where none care to immigrate.
Dewy Beezly, Gal 3: Meaning there are no social, economic, or gender barriers when it come to receiving Christ. Many people use that scripture in error.
Men and women are equal, but have different roles. We see this in marriage and the church, institutions created by God.
For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home.
For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached? You are referring to a verse that is about the elect as a whole. A elder must be someone who has one wife. If so, why all the legalism when it comes to the role of women in the church while turning a blind eye to head coverings, fine jewelry, and expensive clothing?
And what do you make of Paul permitting women to prophesy i. And why would God have blessed Deborah of the Old Testament — knowing she exercised authority over men as judge and prophetess? You speak of scriptural context — can we not consider that Paul was addressing the very specific needs of the early church? After all, 1 Timothy 2: You tell us to read Judges, right? Amen to that , and Josh picking out a couple scriptures should check himself for Pharisee attitude. The Spirit speaks through all believers and their anatomy has nothing to do with it!!
Finally someone who speaks from well studied and rightly divided Truth. If only Craig and Josh were brave enough to accept the challenge of opening their minds to deeper study and scriptural exegesis.
They are blinded to the fact that the Jezebel spirit they are projecting onto women, they are actually embodying in male form.
I wish these men and some women would get about the business of winning souls to Christ instead of foolish arguments that stem from uninformed and unlearned teachings. Peace to all and a very Happy New Year. Wild west of Christianity? Have you witnessed a Benny Hinn crusade lately?
Every kind of disorder in those meetings. And men leading the way. He is a heretic of the highest order. Wave his hand and people fall in thier seats. Yes I agree with you on this man. Yes, Tracy and James…. Benny Hinn scares me. Women tend to let their emotions get in the way. Beware of the people of the evangelist on TV or in person.
If you remember God says beware of false prophets pretending to be something they are not. There are a lot of people in this world. They do this to make the money and are like wolves in sheep clothing. Thank you, thank you, for this article! This is in my church and am trying to get the word out about all these false teachers. So hard to get people to listen. I think I agree with Rick. Why not publish an article about what women can do as they serve in the church.
The article made me feel like I should do nothing; however, I know there are women in the bible who did great things. Look at Esther for one.
What is your point? Jesus redeemed Mary Magdalene cleansed her of demon possession after which she was among the women along with Mary the Mother of Jesus and others who followed Him, and she was the one at the tomb that He appeared to first after His resurrection, so she ran to let the others know.
How does that relate to this? I do not understand how you could be left with that feeling. The Bible lays out a beautiful calling on women. If women want to know how to serve in the church, they should try opening their Bibles. As when one stood by asking and telling God. Look over yonder is your mother and brothers. And instead they should be praying to God directly.
And the Catholic people go constantly to denounce their sins. And what does God say about that huh? He teaches us not to continue to do continuing sins of the same sins over and over again. It is not about equal rights or about What Men can do Women can do the same. There are many things women excel in even in the Church. It is never about competition or jealousy or equality.
Besides why do women have to show they are equal to men. Whom do they have to proove assuming if the issue is about equality. It is not about playing second fiddle. Very encouraged to see this article based on scripture. Many women follow Beth as if she is Christ and do not test her teachings against scripture — 2 Timothy 3: Beth Moore loves Jesus and is a bold teacher of the Word of God. Yeah Right…For those who like buying products and attending emotional entertainment events.
So the preacher at your church is not paid a salary? Both speakers are, to heed Paul, worthy of their pay.
Satan must be delighted when he can keep Christians busy fighting against each other rather than directing their animosity toward the true enemy. Certainly not the one in my Bible…He came preaching repentance…something you will never hear at these heretical gold diggers gatherings.
I just wonder how many of those who are criticizing her have actually heard her speak or read any of her books. It is sad that, as someone else commented, we as Christians get so wrapped up in having our own way that we beat each other down.
Satan loves it when that happens! It gets our eyes, minds and hearts off Jesus! Exactly what I was thinking. Our nation, in particular, is in need of women who are strong in the Lord. I will attest to the fact that when going through a Beth Moore Bible study, I am immersed in scripture- the studies are more about reading and getting into the Word and gleaning as much as possible.
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